Tuesday, July 10, 2007

Bill O'Reilly: Lesbian Gangs With Pink Pistols On The Rampage

Dave Neiwert is on this story at Orcinus: Bill O'Reilly claiming that "lesbian gangs on the Rampage" are raping young girls, "converting" them to lesbianism, and attacking heterosexual men. Sounds like Monsieur Falafel's extremely active imagination has been working overtime on this one. Maybe he's been watching too much late-night Cinemax or something.

Anyway, as is so often the case, O'Reilly and his guests are, in fact, simply making shit up. Oh how they'd love for to be true--I mean, imagine so many political and sexual fantasies coming true at the same time! But, alas, it isn't.

So maybe O'Reilly could turn instead to the, ya know, actual problem of violent men harassing and attacking women? Not likely.


Blogger Myca said...

Mh favorite thing here is how clearly bullshit this all is. It's just about entirely made up out of the whole cloth . . . and yet I doubt Bill will suffer consequence one.

12:43 PM  
Blogger Winston Smith said...

Yeah, you wonder whether this is just a particularly clear illustration of the fact that the non-reality-based community doesn't draw a very clear line between fact and fantasy.

Maybe it's unwise to extrapolate too much from a case like this, though.

Anyway, MY favorite part is how much this all seems to be just a really lurid S&M-y sex fantasy on the part of O'Reilly & co. I...I wonder what kinds of (*gulp*) HORRIBLE THINGS these lesbian gangs were making those young girls and heterosexual men do?

2:20 PM  
Blogger Jim Bales said...

Believe it or not, O'Reilly has broadcast a correction and an apology. The YouTube is over at Cliff Schecter's

As to it all being a lurid O'Reilly fantasy, I only ask that we not learn about the loofah

8:56 PM  
Blogger The Mystic said...

I see no apology from Bill there. There's a "correction", yet the video is of him defending his story, regardless of its truth value.

The real problem is that the story was utterly useless. Even if it were true, what value would there be in telling the general public that there were lesbian gangs? That seems to me to be entirely socially irresponsible (by which I mean one should not actively harness the power of prejudice to sensationalize an issue, furthering the prejudice).

Gangs suck no matter who's in them. Jumping on the anti-gay bandwagon and reporting on a gang made up of some idiotic people who happened to be gay is akin to finding out who the 8th grade class hates the most and telling them about the nerdy things he and his friends do together. The only purpose it could possibly serve is to incite more hatred, ignorance, and prejudice.

It has no value to people. O'Reilly said "it should be reported", and that is clearly false. Why? What good has it done? Has it rightfully informed people of a problem of which they should be wary - i.e. groups of gay people? No.

The report, even if it were a true story, would be totally useless, unlike what O'Reilly claims. O'Reilly knows this. That, to me, is worse than just reporting a false story, as it is proof of an intent to lie and mislead in order to swing people to his perspective and hurt others in the process.

Especially given O'Reilly's popularity, such evidence (of which there is plenty) that he is bent on lying in order to further his own agenda shouldn't be taken lightly.

If only there were a way to tell more people..

12:08 AM  
Blogger The Mystic said...

I do have to say, though, that my favorite bit of O'Reilly Logic I've ever seen is in this report:

Yes," Wheeler answered. "As a matter of fact, some of the kids have actually reported that they were forced into, you know, performing sex acts and doing sex acts with some of these people."

O'Reilly replied: "I never thought of this. It makes sense that, if you had lawless gay people, they would do this kind of thing."

I love it. I love the logical reasoning leading O'Reilly to believe, upon serious reflection as he has indicated, that, if gay people had no respect for the law, they would try to "spread homosexuality" by getting straight people and forcing them to do gay things.

'Cause lots of straight people with no respect for the law recruit gay guys into straight gangs to try to spread heterosexuality. O'Reilly's probably never thought of it, but it would make sense to him.

12:26 AM  
Blogger Jim said...

Hmmm - I thought there was a (minimal) apology, but may very well be wrong. In either event, watching the clip once used up my watching-bill-o'reilly allowance for the month! ;-)

8:25 AM  
Blogger Winston Smith said...

I absolutely have to disagree with you on this point, Mystic. If the O'Reilly story had been true, then it would have been newsworthy. I worry that your argument that the story would have been "useless" even if true conceals a political correctness litmus test. That may not be what you intend, but that'd be my worry.

On another point, though: pink guns...c'mon. I don't even think there ARE any pink guns. Maybe there are some after-market grips that are pink or something... He should've said that they were using special gay-tipped bullets that gay you up if they hit you and get any gay into your bloodstream.

9:00 AM  
Blogger The Mystic said...


But no, I'm not indicating some sort of political correctness at all. I'm saying that I don't know how it would've been newsworthy. You could report on gang violence as a whole for some reason - maybe indicate some common M.O.s as something to watch out for, but to single out gay gangs - I have no idea why any regular civilian would need to know the information about how gay gangs operate as opposed to general information about how gangs operate.

Any useful information you could give the general public about the M.O. of a gay gang, it seems to me, would not have anything to do with the fact that they were gay. Much like the information you could provide to the public about gangs in which the constituents are mexican would not have anything to do with race.

For instance, if I say "Watch out for people waiting to jump your drunk ass outside Bar X" - it really can't possibly matter if they're mexican, black, gay, whatever.

Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems to me valuable reporting on gang violence wouldn't just be "OMFGZ GAY GANGS!!!11"

It'd be "These are some tips on avoiding/detecting gang violence".

10:30 AM  
Blogger Winston Smith said...

My bad.

I concede the point.

4:30 PM  

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