Monday, June 02, 2014

Actual Shitty Attitudes About Women

Here's some, from a co-founder of Snapchat, while he was at Stanford.


1. Obviously extremely repulsive.

I don't know what to add to the guy's own words.

Unless maybe:

2. Is anybody really that surprised that a lot of fratboys think/talk like this?

I mean, I was surprised years ago when I found out that it was so...but it's fairly common knowledge now, isn't it? It's not significantly less shitty just because it's now familiar... But it's no longer that surprising.


3. Every reasonable person/student, male and female, is already contemptuous of the whole frat/sorority thing already, right? Largely for these kind of reasons?

That doesn't mean there's not reason to publicize newly-discovered, specific instances of shittiness... But, again, we already know that it's a shitty milieu, right? Maybe the deal is that we now know specifically of this particular guy that he's shitty.

Anyway, not to detract in any way from the extreme shittiness of this guy and his minions in any way:

4. Can we stop with the "All Men" crap? It's not all men. It's guys like this. I guarantee you, these guys repulse most guys as much as they repulse most women. Their repulsiveness is non-sex-specific.

Though it might also be worth just noting, almost as a footnote, and just by way of gesturing at something that might provide some kind of context/perspective:

5. It's not transparently obvious that sorority girls are different in kind, rather than merely in degree, from frat boys. (Recall the Duke "faux sex thesis" dust-up...)

And it should go without saying that:

6. None of this is to support any kind of puritanism/prudery about recreational sex per se. That's just not at issue here.

Dude says that he doesn't think like that about women anymore.

I find it a little hard to believe that you can think like that at the age of 20-ish and then get over it without remainder...  But one hates to completely rule out the possibility of redemption.


Anonymous Bacon Attack said...

"Shitty" is not a word for an educated gentleman to use. Try "deplorable," "injurious," "pernicious," "malignant," "foul," "rotten," "evil," "depraved," "abominable," "vile."

4:06 PM  
Blogger Winston Smith said...

You seem to presuppose that I am both educated and a gentleman...

And, on a different note: sometimes there's just no equally good synonym for 'shitty'...

But you have a point.

4:39 PM  
Blogger Random Michelle K said...


He's a douche canoe.

7:46 PM  
Blogger The Mystic said...

+1 to RMK for the best use of the phrase "douche canoe" I've ever seen.

4:57 PM  

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