Monday, December 05, 2005

Dems Divided on Iraq

From today's Post.

This is a dangerous time for the Democrats. Much of their base--which, IMHO, is only marginally more rational that the Republican base--is clamoring for immediate withdrawal. I hope Democratic leaders realize that the one thing they absolutely cannot do in this situation is allow their base to influence their decision. That's not to say that the base might not be right in this case, just that it's not a question laypeople are capable of answering.

Two of the people I'm most likely to listen to on foreign policy matters, Wes Clark and Z-Big Brzezinsky, disagree on this one, with the latter making a case that's been slowly coalescing in the back of what I sometimes dignify by calling my "mind" over the last few weeks; it goes a little something like this: the current troop levels are just high enough to cause trouble but not high enough to really get the job done. The administration will not/cannot put in enough troops to do the job. The conclusion is left as an exercise for the reader.

People often get paralyzed in situations like this--that is, situations in which the available evidence underdetermines rational theory/action choice. However my line on such cases is that you might as well choose whichever course of action you prefer. So suppose, in the case at hand, that the arguments for staying really are just as strong as the arguments for going. In that case, we might as well flip a coin. Some might say "well, in that case we should opt for the more peaceful option and withdraw," but that would be to miss the point. If the case is as we've imagined it to be, then all considerations, including that one, have already been taken into account and the choice is still rationally underdetermined by the evidence.

So call it in the air, folks: (turn) tails (and run), or (keep our) heads (up our butts).

but in actual fact, nobody seems to agree that the evidence is perfectly equivocal; everybody seems to think that there's a little bit better reason for doing one thing rather than another.

At this point, I have to admit that I simply don't know.

Which brings us to a sort of footnote. I went into the Post article fearing that it was going to say that the Dems were split on the political strategy, and I was already preparing my a pox on both your houses sermon. At least the Dems are keeping some kind of lid on the--gotta be almost irresistable--urge to politicize this thing. And, once again, that's basically my reason for being a quasi-Democrat: they just don't suck quite as bad as the Republicans, who would have an electronic command post outside the White House by now directing syntho-throngs with professionally-printed anti-Gore/Kerry/(insert Democratic name here) signs by now. They'd be on every channel, red in the face and screaming about Democratic foreign policy incompetence, and about how the Dems aren't grown-ups, aren't tough enough to run a superpower, etc., etc. And imagine if a Democratic president got us into a mess like this allegedly in order to attain a humanitarian goal? He'd have been assassinated by now.

Finally, the Post article seems to suggest that there's a problem for the Democrats because they hold both of the following positions: (a) Bush screwed up by getting us into this mess, but (b) no, we don't know what to do about it. Maybe this is confusing enough to baffle the American electorate, but there's really no tension there at all. Bush screwed up really, really bad; and, because it was such a bad screw up nobody knows what to do now.

See, that's frequently what happens when you screw up really, really bad.

8 Comments:

Blogger Chris said...

You wrote: "Much of their base--which, IMHO, is only marginally more rational that the Republican base"

Since both the Dem and Rep bases are heteregenous, it's difficult to make generalizations about each base as a whole. Regardless, do you have any statistics to support your claim about the difference only being marginal?

From the PIPA surveys it's clear that Reps are poorly informed compared to the Dems. Even if you assume that both are equally rational (in going from premises to conclusions), it would be wiser to choose the people who start with verified premises.

2:49 PM  
Blogger Tom Van Dyke said...

Or not, Chris.

Ask Ilya, WS.

4:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tom Van Dyke,

Can you show me where in this report Volokh got his numbers?

http://www.annenbergpublicpolicycenter.org/naes/naes2000.htm

Or is it the wrong report?

5:15 PM  
Blogger Tom Van Dyke said...

Dunno. It wasn't Volokh, but a George Mason University law prof. When someone with a reputation to lose asserts certain facts, I tend to give them the benefit of the doubt if they're not named Noam Chomsky.

Further, when someone spends more time trying to disprove something than carefully reading the original post, I'm not really interested in discussion with them.

Sorry. Continue to believe in your own superiority.

9:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Overly defensive, huh?

Very telling.

11:36 PM  
Blogger Winston Smith said...

Ordinarily one finds that, when one controls for income and privilege, Dems turn out to be smarter and better-informed than Republicans.

Of course the latter tend to have lots more college degrees, which can make things look very different without such controls.

Another thing to note there is that people who are successful or born into privilege tend to believe that America is a meritocracy, whereas those who are not do not. That's symmetrical silliness.

Doesn't matter to me. I'm at least half independent, and we come out least-informed on this survey.

4:50 AM  
Blogger Tom Van Dyke said...

Your self-deprecation prevents me from questioning

Ordinarily one finds that, when one controls for income and privilege, Dems turn out to be smarter and better-informed than Republicans.

Charm goes a long way.

1:53 AM  
Blogger Winston Smith said...

Ahem...

Let me rephrase in order to avoid rhetorical tricks:

Historically, that's been the conventional wisdom.

Surely there's a bunch of data here? Surely this shouldn't be too hard to find out?

I'm not sure how important it is, though. I'd rather evaluate the arguments... Even if Dems turn out to be smarter/more knowledgeable/whatever on average, it doesn't mean they're right.

1:59 AM  

Post a Comment

Subscribe to Post Comments [Atom]

<< Home