Wednesday, July 20, 2016

Clinton's Veep List: Kaine and Vilsack Replace Warren and Castro?

A relief, if true.
Kaine's a bit religious for my taste, but we could do a lot worse. Castro's an empty suit, and Warren is...well, Warren...


Blogger Aa said...

Warren is awesome. Smart and tough not afraid to call even the most powerful out...but I want her in the Senate where she can do the most good/damage.

8:26 AM  
Blogger Winston Smith said...

You lost me at "Warren is awesome"...but reasonable people can disagree.

I certainly agree with her about many things, and think she's made a contribution...but I'm not a fan at this point.

I'll endeavor to keep an open mind.

8:34 AM  
Blogger The Mystic said...

I'm interested in what you don't like about Warren. I've had the opinion that she's pretty awesome, myself, but I admittedly don't know much about her. I just haven't seen any counter-evidence to that assessment. What'cha got?

10:58 AM  
Blogger Winston Smith said...


4:51 PM  
Anonymous Lewis Carroll said...

Spoken like a true micro-aggressor.

5:04 PM  
Blogger Winston Smith said...


5:12 PM  
Blogger Aa said...

How about me?

5:47 PM  
Blogger Dark Avenger said...

Great job of explaining your objections to Warren, W.S.

7:25 AM  
Blogger Winston Smith said...

TVDA returneth

10:29 AM  
Blogger Dark Avenger said...

What's your beef with Warren, Winston? If you can't articulate it, the rest of us must pass over it in silence.

7:55 AM  
Blogger Winston Smith said...

Who said I can't articulate it?

9:00 AM  
Blogger Dark Avenger said...

SYou did, albeit the tabloid version:

You're not very good at fact-checking btw:

The legitimacy of Warren's claims to Native American heritage has certainly been challenged by many critics, and it is true that while Warren was at U. Penn. Law School she put herself on the "Minority Law Teacher" list as Native American) in the faculty directory of the Association of American Law Schools, and that Harvard Law School at one time promoted Warren as a Native American faculty member. But specific evidence that she gained her position at Harvard (at least in part) through her claims to Native American heritage is lacking. Warren denied applying for special consideration as a person of Native American heritage during her career, and when the matter was examined in 2012 in response to Brown's claims, people with whom Warren had worked similarly denied her ancestral background's factoring into the professional opportunities afforded her:
The former chairman of the American Association of Law Schools, David Bernstein, told the Herald that the group's directory once served as a tip sheet for administrators. "In the old days before the Internet, you'd pull out the AALS directory and look up people," he said. "There are schools that, if they were looking for a minority faculty member, would go to that list and might say, 'I didn't know Elizabeth Warren was a minority.'"

Warren said she didn't know Harvard had used her heritage as proof of diversity until reading about the issue in the news, according to a Herald report. She also denied that she ever tried to gain a professional advantage through her lineage.
Warren responded she was recruited for the positions and did not "apply" for them; and for the most part, her record did not indicate any identification as part of a minority group:
The Globe obtained a portion of Warren's application to Rutgers, which asks if prospective students want to apply for admission under the school's Program for Minority Group Students. Warren answered "no."

For her employment documents at the University of Texas, Warren indicated that she was "white."

But Penn's 2005 Minority Equity Report identified her as the recipient of a 1994 faculty award, listing her name in bold to signify that she was a minority. The Herald has twice quoted Charles Fried, the head of the Harvard appointing committee that recommended Warren for her position in 1995, saying that the Democratic candidate's heritage didn't come up during the course of her hiring. "It simply played no role in the appointments process," he said. "It was not mentioned and I didn't mention it to the faculty."

The Herald later quoted Fried, a former U.S. Solicitor General under President Ronald Reagan, saying, "I can state categorically that the subject of her Native American ancestry never once was mentioned."

Rufus T. Firefly: Gentlemen, Chicolini here may talk like an idiot, and look like an idiot, but don't let that fool you: he really is an idiot. I implore you, send him back to his father and brothers, who are waiting for him with open arms in the penitentiary. I suggest that we give him ten years in Leavenworth, or eleven years in Twelveworth.

Chicolini: I'll tell you what I'll do: I'll take five and ten in Woolworth.

9:40 AM  
Blogger Winston Smith said...

LOOOOL c'mon,'re becoming a parody of yourself man.

9:58 AM  
Blogger Dark Avenger said...

Sorry, Winston, but you've really gone downhill in the past few years. Your case against her was based on false allegations, but you couldn't be arsed to check them out. The results, sadly, are for all to see.

10:05 AM  
Blogger Winston Smith said...

Oh wound me wound me bad...'s an exercise for the reader: what is the most obvious flaw in your little argument above?

10:08 AM  
Blogger Dark Avenger said...

Facts are stubborn things, Winston. The fact is, there's no evidence that she used her alleged NA ancestry for getting any of her positions via afffimative action. That she was a bit confused about her ancestry isn't surprising, as being of NA descent in OK is about as unusual as engaging in aerobic respiration. Heck, most Americas couldn't tell you their grandma's maiden name, let alone discuss their ancestry in any detailed way.

It's been fun, Winston, and I'm looking forward to your upcoming endorsement for the Presidential race, even more so if you do it while sober.

10:32 AM  
Blogger Winston Smith said...

O burn! O burn of burns!

O incineration!

But to repeat:
what is the most obvious flaw in your little argument above?

12:23 PM  
Blogger The Mystic said...

What an oddly verbose series of comments to follow a threat of silence in the face of a purported lack of articulation whose purported absence was never amended by this thread...

6:08 PM  
Blogger Winston Smith said...


9:53 AM  

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