Sunday, October 02, 2005

Serenity, again

I notice that some in the rightosphere are pointing out that Serenity is a pro-libertarian polemic. That's fair enough if you recognize that libertarians aren't conservatives. Most people one encounters in American politics these days who call themselves libertarians are crypto-conservatives.

The folks we call 'liberals' are civil libertarians and economic non-libertarians. That is, they think that people should be free from government control in their private, non-economic lives, but that the government should have an important role in regulating the economy, even perhaps to the point of redistributing wealth. The folks we call 'conservatives' are (nominally, at least) economic libertarians and civil/social/cultural non-libertarians. That is, they think that the government should stay out of our pocketbooks, but that it has a right to regulate our private, non-economic lives. E.g. it can sometimes tell us what ideas we can express (e.g. whether we can burn the flag), can promote religion, and can tell us which adults we are allowed to have sex with and/or marry.

Me, one reason I don't get along with liberals so well is that I'm largely a libertarian at heart--but a libertarian who (a) thinks that it's more important to keep government out of our private lives than it is to keep them out of our pocketbooks, and (b) lacks the irrational blind faith in the free market that economic libertarians talk themselves into. So, anyway, I count as a liberal primarily because I'm a civil libertarian, and because I think civil libertarianism is more important than economic libertarianism. Which is sort of to say: I think that government interference in my private life is entirely unacceptable, whereas I think that interfering in my economic life--up to a point--is merely annoying and possibly for the best, all things considered.

So, one can reasonably see Serenity/Firefly as pro-libertarian, so long as one sees it as really pro-libertarian, rather than crypto-conservative.

How much one should make of the politics of a science fiction movie is another matter entirely, of course... But, as I said, I think fiction is important.

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Blogger Azael said...

Actually, as a liberal, the only think I have a problem with your philosophy is the seemingly compelling need to bash liberals.

According to the Political Compass, I rank a a strong social libertarian and centrist economic (just slight to the left) (-2.75/-5.90 on the above link's metrics). And, granted that it is a self selected group, pretty much all the liberals are similarly aligned. It'd be interesting to see where you end up on using these metrics.

Now, I'm sure that 30-40 years ago that things were quite different, but I think one would be extremely hard pressed to find any democrat today - and certainly any democrat actually in power that would have anything to do with anything remotely resembling wealth distribution in the way you are describing it.

Now, liberals - at least the liberals I hang out with - strongly believe that the economic game is largely fixed. Given the distribution of income, it's hard not to come to this conclusion - although it's always amusing to watch the machinations of those trying to explain it as a matter of purely personal worth.

The objectives of liberal policy isn't to make the end conditions identical, it's to make the playing field level. One simply needs to look at the distribution of the tax cuts to see that there's a lot of work that needs to be done just to fix the crap that's gone on in the last 5 years.

Maybe the liberals you know have different ideals and policy. But it would be perhaps helpful to provide some concrete examples of real world democratic policy and platforms that demonstrate liberals stand for redistribution of wealth rather than to simply make the claim without merit.

This isn't the 1960's.

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I think that many of our disagreements have this form:

I say something like: liberalism, when it goes wrong, fades off into X

You say: many/most liberals aren't Xists.

These things are compatible. It's like recognizing that, at my worst, I have a tendency to be greedy. It's important to recognize this even if I'm not, on average, a greedy person. Recognizing how I tend to go wrong, recognizing the seeds of my own potential badness, helps me to avoid it.

It's hard for me to believe that you don't know liberals with overly-socialistic tendencies.

Or, I dunno. Maybe I obsess too much about a few people I know.

You could be right. More thought required.

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