tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post8224187450380609119..comments2024-03-26T12:23:29.784-04:00Comments on Philosoraptor: Winston Smithhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-70765716732689365292010-12-17T15:11:20.024-05:002010-12-17T15:11:20.024-05:00Winston, I’ll take one more shot at this. Can’t he...Winston, I’ll take one more shot at this. Can’t help it.<br /><br />I think we would agree on these points: One, the probability that an incestuous relationship is coercive is much higher than the probability that a non-incestuous sexual relationship is coercive. [P(C|I) >> P(C|I’)? I don’t know, but it looks good.] Two, coercive sex should be outlawed, and the state is failing in its duty Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-47661031379311544782010-12-17T11:32:23.782-05:002010-12-17T11:32:23.782-05:00tl;dr:
We already have laws against non-consensual...tl;dr:<br />We already have laws against non-consensual sex.Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-64515889929730777432010-12-17T11:26:21.527-05:002010-12-17T11:26:21.527-05:00Well, I think I now understand your position bette...Well, I think I now understand your position better, but it still seems fairly clear to me that this is a weak argument--not weightless, by any stretch of the imagination, but probably not capable of supporting the weight you (and the state) want it to bear. I'm a little surprised that you don't recognize this. The "role-crossing" argument is very tenuous, speculative and Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-39634879009478266702010-12-16T16:31:49.289-05:002010-12-16T16:31:49.289-05:00It would be nice if we could decide every legal qu...It would be nice if we could decide every legal question by appeal to general liberal principles and a conceptual analysis of the actions involved, but we can’t. Between the laws demanded and forbidden to a rights respecting government is a vast space where consequences matter, so questions of whether a particular law is justified often turn on empirical fact. I don’t think it’s hand waving to Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-2767459052426653282010-12-16T09:14:43.538-05:002010-12-16T09:14:43.538-05:00I think what you write is sensible, A. (Though I d...I think what you write is sensible, A. (Though I disagree that the problem is that I was holding S to too high a standard. I think what you really mean is that I was holding them to the wrong standard--he's offering something more like a public policy argument than a moral argument.)<br /><br />Arguments like yours and Saletan's are very fishy--as you'd probably admit. They're Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-4762209853312690012010-12-15T12:16:16.508-05:002010-12-15T12:16:16.508-05:00The standard to which you subject Salatan's ar...The standard to which you subject Salatan's argument here is too high. After reading the column, it seems clear that he is arguing in favor or laws against incest as commendable public policy, not that adult, consensual incest is always impermissible in a moral sense. That the wisdom of the ban is his target is obscured by Salatan's insistence on using moralistic language in his argument Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-37987709849226970382010-12-15T12:15:16.243-05:002010-12-15T12:15:16.243-05:00The standard to which you subject Salatan's ar...The standard to which you subject Salatan's argument here is too high. After reading the column, it seems clear that he is arguing in favor or laws against incest as commendable public policy, not that adult, consensual incest is always impermissible in a moral sense. That the wisdom of the ban is his target is obscured by Salatan's insistence on using moralistic language in his argument Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com