tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post71643915632687337..comments2024-03-26T12:23:29.784-04:00Comments on Philosoraptor: Winston Smithhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-20717460457964232632008-05-08T13:26:00.000-04:002008-05-08T13:26:00.000-04:00Oh and:Of course I DO agree that not every obvious...Oh and:<BR/>Of course I DO agree that not every obvious thing needs to be said. One doesn't walk into a room and start saying things like "I am a human," "I am now speaking," "that's the floor," and so forth.Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-10052560111755809722008-05-08T13:24:00.000-04:002008-05-08T13:24:00.000-04:00Yeah, I like the red light analogy.But, seriously....Yeah, I like the red light analogy.<BR/><BR/>But, seriously. My colleague The Formidable Armenius and frequently talk about one of our colleagues who is able to (as Armenius puts it) "turn on a dime"--that is, in the middle of discussion, in the middle of making a case for p, hear a consideration against p that strikes him as important and, as a result, immediately alter his opinion and start Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-83515471359223407512008-05-08T12:04:00.000-04:002008-05-08T12:04:00.000-04:00Well, that forthcoming post in my defense should b...Well, that forthcoming post in my defense should be interesting. Glad I can help by saying the wrong thing and then going "oh, it's wrong". Haha - if that's what it takes to be your hero, man can I fill that role. "WRONGMAN - Capable of admitting his incorrectness faster than a speeding bullet!"<BR/><BR/>I do think, however, that I'm right insofar as it is certainly plausible that something The Mystichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00813641115915460692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-30399248427554918402008-05-08T10:45:00.000-04:002008-05-08T10:45:00.000-04:00See, IMHO the most noble thing one can do, logical...See, IMHO the most noble thing one can do, logically speaking, is recognize and admit one's own error.<BR/><BR/>You, M, are my current hero.<BR/><BR/><BR/>tho, actually, I was just about to say something in your defense. But I think it should be a whole post.Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-54716058920000107262008-05-07T22:51:00.000-04:002008-05-07T22:51:00.000-04:00Well, actually, my position was more "X is common ...Well, actually, my position was more "X is common sense, SO OBVIOUS that it's not worth saying" - so not only is it common sense, but obvious to a degree that it's not worth saying. Saying obvious things, though, I suppose, can be useful, since people do forget the obvious on occasion.<BR/><BR/>Like..you know..<BR/><BR/>me.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>P.S. Ron Paul FTW.The Mystichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00813641115915460692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-21815797700047542822008-05-07T22:47:00.001-04:002008-05-07T22:47:00.001-04:00You know, I went upstairs to bed, and I was like "...You know, I went upstairs to bed, and I was like "Of COURSE it's common sense.. I mean, like the fact that arguing retarded minor differences to the point of divisiveness is poisoning our politi..."<BR/><BR/>And then I realized that this thread has gone roughly like this:<BR/><BR/>WS: "OBAMA IS FUCKIGN COOL!!11onE!"<BR/><BR/>Mystic: "Woah, woah, woah there. I think Obama is fucking cool, but The Mystichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00813641115915460692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-869128786955694852008-05-07T22:47:00.000-04:002008-05-07T22:47:00.000-04:00"And again, when you say he's not just saying that..."And again, when you say he's not just saying that it'd be nice if we all got along, but rather that vicious divisiveness is poisoning our politics, I think this is common sense, so obvious that it's not worth saying."<BR/><BR/>Well, M, you've clarified your position to the point at which it's clearly false. Which is good! "x is common sense, therefore x is not worth saying" is just plain unsoundWinston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-68592066747760663452008-05-07T22:01:00.000-04:002008-05-07T22:01:00.000-04:00Spencer: Well, I didn't say that the common sense...Spencer: <BR/><BR/>Well, I didn't say that the common sense response was "Wouldn't that be nice if it weren't so impracticable". I wasn't trying to imply that I think that the thought of us all getting along one day is impossible. I just think that it's obvious that that would be nice and that all rational people would like to see that happen. So, when Obama's rhetoric strikes up that chord, The Mystichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00813641115915460692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-536724939643735932008-05-07T18:25:00.000-04:002008-05-07T18:25:00.000-04:00Yeah, I'm with ya on this one, Spencer.I think the...Yeah, I'm with ya on this one, Spencer.<BR/><BR/>I think there's an error in your position here M that's of a common type. Allow me to cut to the chase with a wee dialog:<BR/><BR/>A: Isn't it important that we do x?<BR/><BR/>B: No. Forget about it. That's just dopey idealism.<BR/><BR/>Alternatively:<BR/><BR/>A: Isn't it important that we do x?<BR/><BR/>C: Well, duh. That's so obvious it's not Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-56808575126649379852008-05-07T17:02:00.000-04:002008-05-07T17:02:00.000-04:00Having read approximately the same fraction of TAt...Having read approximately the same fraction of TAtH as Mystic, I'd like to venture the opposite opinion. <BR/><BR/>Consider your dialogue: Obama presents a vision of cooperation across various national divisions ("Wouldn't it be nice if we all got along?") Dylan responds that, of course, this would be nice. It's just common sense. <BR/><BR/>It strikes me that what is "common sense" in this Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-35599587979717489802008-05-07T16:18:00.000-04:002008-05-07T16:18:00.000-04:00I missed the specific points. I mean, it wasn't l...I missed the specific points. I mean, it wasn't like I formulated my response after the time that it probably deserved in thought, so if there are points in that sloppy mess that you disagree with, it could very well be because I just threw up on the page and hit "submit".<BR/><BR/>However, what ideals in particular are you talking about that are so inspirational to you? Maybe I just missed it The Mystichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00813641115915460692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-89338688104928240052008-05-07T10:49:00.000-04:002008-05-07T10:49:00.000-04:00LOLYeah, I know how this sounds.Though allow me an...LOL<BR/><BR/>Yeah, I know how this sounds.<BR/><BR/>Though allow me an ad hominem here:<BR/>lemme get this straight...the guy praising <I>Ron Paul</I> is telling me not to go nuts???<BR/><BR/>Maybe it's a difference in age, or maybe it's a genuine difference in attitude, but we've got significantly different views about this. The title is far from cheesy so far as I can tell. I think that the Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-82284110315486576182008-05-06T23:39:00.000-04:002008-05-06T23:39:00.000-04:00I re-read that after I posted too hastily, and I h...I re-read that after I posted too hastily, and I have concluded that that sounded too negative.<BR/><BR/>I think that, when I was reading what he had to say, it was nice to hear lofty idealism, but it was almost...too touchy-feely, ya know? I feel like I was more attracted to the genuinely warm nature of Ron Paul because it was backed up by his not-taking-any-shit-whatsoever attitude. The man The Mystichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00813641115915460692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-86448640497664578682008-05-06T23:15:00.000-04:002008-05-06T23:15:00.000-04:00I dunno, man. I hate to be a buzzkill, but you ma...I dunno, man. I hate to be a buzzkill, but you may be overdoing it a tad.<BR/><BR/>Obama sounds great and all, but after reading the prologue to his book, I really haven't reached an epic level of being impressed..nor have I even come close to choking up.<BR/><BR/>I don't THINK I'm a jackass, or that I possess any qualities that would prevent me from choking up if it were genuinely moving, so..<The Mystichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00813641115915460692noreply@blogger.com