tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post4839004260543076713..comments2024-03-26T12:23:29.784-04:00Comments on Philosoraptor: Winston Smithhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-46205707984365929512008-05-01T21:30:00.000-04:002008-05-01T21:30:00.000-04:00Self-pity? Not at all. My pity goes elsewhere.Ou...Self-pity? Not at all. My pity goes elsewhere.<BR/><BR/>Our little scene has been played out countless times before, and we're just reading from our scripts.<BR/> <BR/>No, it's not about the money, DA, but it is all about the other things. <BR/><BR/><BR/>"Men of Athens, I honor and love you; but I shall obey God rather than you, and while I have life and strength I shall never cease from the Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-50260564478699320652008-04-30T10:10:00.000-04:002008-04-30T10:10:00.000-04:00Legate Van Dyke, I suggest you have your friend(if...Legate Van Dyke, I suggest you have your friend(if she's not imaginary)read this thread and follow the link below.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.google.com/search?q=TVD+Dark+Avenger+Philosoraptor&hl=en&client=mozilla&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&filter=0" REL="nofollow">Link</A><BR/><BR/>Of course, you didn't call her creepy as you did to those not sharing your POV <A HREF="http://Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-32262768599504049422008-04-30T02:34:00.000-04:002008-04-30T02:34:00.000-04:00Ah, but you didn't let me have it, "Mystic."Y'all ...Ah, but you didn't let me have it, "Mystic."<BR/><BR/>Y'all have been scrolling down here to see if there's a comment #39, so here it is:<BR/><BR/>What I left out about my Habermas friend is that in a virtually identical situation, she got my back, altho she never agreed with a single word.<BR/><BR/>That's what it's all about, my friends, my could-be friends. All the rest is what's bullshit.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-58667965468687954222008-04-28T14:35:00.000-04:002008-04-28T14:35:00.000-04:00Rest easy, Winston - none of his little parting qu...Rest easy, Winston - none of his little parting quips are taken sincerely by me or anyone else here. I know you want to ensure that you don't stand idly by, letting someone spew repetitious libelous, deceitful comments, but as literally as it is possible to be, and as you've already discovered, the amount of time you spend in response to him isn't worth it. <BR/><BR/>Tom's the only one buying The Mystichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00813641115915460692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-31181467420757810632008-04-28T11:11:00.000-04:002008-04-28T11:11:00.000-04:00Tom wants to go out by saying that he's open-minde...Tom wants to go out by saying that he's open-minded and willing to dialog with everybody, clearly indicating that I am not (and neither are you). <BR/><BR/>This thread basically started in one of the typical ways: with an incoherent and completely gratuitous and off-topic insult by Tom. (Hey! Look at me! Did everybody forget about me! Hey! Hey!) God knows what it meant, or why he felt obligated Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-34814179155996226502008-04-28T02:16:00.000-04:002008-04-28T02:16:00.000-04:00DA, I opened myself up to you in a weak moment and...DA, I opened myself up to you in a weak moment and made a private joke, intended to be just between you and me. You took advantage.<BR/><BR/>Your politics are so important to you that you betrayed that and I'm afraid it's the same with WS.<BR/><BR/>WS has asked me to leave, so I will. I'm just cleaning up my correspondence. I'd appreciate if you don't slam the door on my ass on the way out.<BR/Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-7155502846973173302008-04-27T18:41:00.000-04:002008-04-27T18:41:00.000-04:00Poor, poor pitiful me!Poor, poor pitiful me!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-7882037092290453322008-04-27T17:53:00.000-04:002008-04-27T17:53:00.000-04:00Peace, I'm out.Please try to give the next fellow ...Peace, I'm out.<BR/><BR/>Please try to give the next fellow a better chance. You guys are a tough town.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-78207695737271623932008-04-27T15:19:00.000-04:002008-04-27T15:19:00.000-04:00As for WS, what did he say of substance besides th...<B>As for WS, what did he say of substance besides that the other fellow is bullshit, which is his favorite method of discourse, whether it's me or Habermas</B><BR/><BR/><A>which BS includes not only ad hominems against me but lies about things I've written in the past.</A><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://philosoraptor.blogspot.com/2007/12/o.html?showComment=1197037020000#c4247701340340497956" REL="Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-11263754185908715632008-04-27T14:19:00.000-04:002008-04-27T14:19:00.000-04:00Seriously, Tom, piss off.I'm not making a big poin...Seriously, Tom, piss off.<BR/><BR/>I'm not making a big point of ignoring you, I'm just ignoring you. I stupidly got pulled into this, and into reading these last two comments, because you continue to spout your BS--which BS includes not only ad hominems against me but lies about things I've written in the past.<BR/><BR/>Seriously, Tom. Consider this an explicit invitation to go elsewhere and Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-88388974683817187982008-04-27T11:54:00.000-04:002008-04-27T11:54:00.000-04:00And of course, I brought Strauss up in a rare mome...And of course, I brought Strauss up in a rare moment of fun. His whole point with "Persecution and the Art of Writing" is how "accepted opinion" must destroy what ever it considers to be a threat.<BR/><BR/>Like you two are doing. WS makes a big point of "ignoring" me. I wish he'd keep his word.<BR/><BR/>Word.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-79637068967761077992008-04-27T11:39:00.000-04:002008-04-27T11:39:00.000-04:00Reason? You give opinions and present them as fac...Reason? You give opinions and present them as fact.<BR/><BR/><I>Then why bother to post here if he's such an unfair 'academic' in the first place?</I>, asks DA.<BR/><BR/>To learn that. I didn't realize how deep the commitment was to "accepted opinion" and refusal to think for yourselves. Mob mentality. Sheep.<BR/><BR/><BR/>If WS had said Strauss was OK, you'd have read everything completely Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-61531259901144162312008-04-27T11:29:00.000-04:002008-04-27T11:29:00.000-04:00Yee-aaargh!!!My eyes flicked down and I saw the bo...Yee-aaargh!!!<BR/><BR/>My eyes flicked down and I saw the bold type anyway. Though thanks for the warning.<BR/><BR/>One important lesson I've learned:<BR/>Don't get into discussions with irrational people, true believers, political and religious fanatics, etc. I've wasted innumerable hours of my life with such people. Creationists are the paradigm. You can only engage with their arguments so Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-88124102980550896042008-04-27T10:42:00.000-04:002008-04-27T10:42:00.000-04:00Warning: TVD quote ahead!:It's not a special plead...<A>Warning: TVD quote ahead!:</A><BR/><BR/><B>It's not a special pleading, it's a fact, one that I'd hoped you'd look up on your own, since you seem unable to listen to anything I have to say without jumping down my throat, which is why I didn't continue.</B><BR/><BR/><I>"'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone,' it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-73827437811750723552008-04-27T09:02:00.000-04:002008-04-27T09:02:00.000-04:00See, DA, whenever you quote Tom without warning, I...See, DA, whenever you quote Tom without warning, I see it.<BR/><BR/>But, since I DID see it, let me say:<BR/><BR/>Tom, you are completely full of shit, as usual.<BR/><BR/>That's why I don't respond to you or even read your comments anymore. You haven't the foggiest idea what you're talking about. As for substance--I don't try to respond to you with substance because you cannot be reasoned with. (Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-9678659971176351032008-04-27T05:02:00.000-04:002008-04-27T05:02:00.000-04:00It's not a special pleading, it's a fact, one that...It's not a special pleading, it's a fact, one that I'd hoped you'd look up on your own, since you seem unable to listen to anything I have to say without jumping down my throat, which is why I didn't continue.<BR/><BR/>[And Heidegger was a Nazi. Where does that leave you and your condemnations?]<BR/><BR/>As for WS, what did he say of substance besides that the other fellow is bullshit, which is Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-55945300934231726352008-04-27T03:07:00.000-04:002008-04-27T03:07:00.000-04:00Your special pleading(Leo was using fascism in a d...Your special pleading(Leo was using fascism in a <I>different way</I> than the word is used in 2008) is unconvincing at best, and intellectually repellent at worse.<BR/><BR/><I>WS says absolutely nothing of substance, once again,</I><BR/><BR/>You remind me of the old line, "Who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes!"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-29101138368092924212008-04-27T00:04:00.000-04:002008-04-27T00:04:00.000-04:00But I wasn't selling anything. I was opposing mil...But I wasn't selling anything. I was opposing militant ignorism. You don't like Strauss, fine. But you've presented nothing except the Wikipedia and a misunderstanding of what fascism meant in 1933.<BR/><BR/>WS says absolutely nothing of substance, once again, yet expresses it authoritatively. No, you don't know bullshit when you see it.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-49379755051891743032008-04-26T10:47:00.000-04:002008-04-26T10:47:00.000-04:00Sorry, Legate Van Dyke, but I recognized BS when I...Sorry, Legate Van Dyke, but I recognized BS when I followed your link to the Strauss and read a few pages.<BR/><BR/><I>You took the easy way out and bought second-hand goods for full retail price.</I><BR/><BR/>No, you're like a salesman who blames the customers for his/her stack of unsold goods, you can't have made a mistake, it's everyone else who doesn't recognize the wonderful stuff you're Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-38617706736842504662008-04-26T10:22:00.000-04:002008-04-26T10:22:00.000-04:00Well, as you know, DA, I don't read TVD's comments...Well, as you know, DA, I don't read TVD's comments anymore since I finally came to recognize that he's about 80% troll. And I can highly recommend the policy. But I find the comment you quote amusing. He gets his panties in a wad like this with some frequency. As usual, he knows absolutely noting about how much I know about this Strauss fellow. Actually, I'm embarrassed to know as much as I know.Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-73023600439643279052008-04-26T02:24:00.000-04:002008-04-26T02:24:00.000-04:00Not at all, DA, for whom I still held out hope for...Not at all, DA, for whom I still held out hope for as an individual. You were presented with the chance to read Leo Strauss for yourself without WS' filtering or Wikipedia's, or even mine.<BR/><BR/>You took the easy way out and bought second-hand goods for full retail price.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-12412983610437306962008-04-25T23:41:00.000-04:002008-04-25T23:41:00.000-04:00In other words, WS, you know nothing about Leo Str...<I>In other words, WS, you know nothing about Leo Strauss but have an opinion about him anyway.</I><BR/><BR/><I>As with so many nutty true believers, actual, rational inquiry is out of the question. They will never, ever give up on their quasi-religious conviction. And you won't learn much from them. So discussion with 'em is pretty much pointless</I><BR/><BR/>Legate Van Dyke has just 'proven' Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-54504181167141227742008-04-25T15:42:00.000-04:002008-04-25T15:42:00.000-04:00In other words, WS, you know nothing about Leo Str...In other words, WS, you know nothing about Leo Strauss but have an opinion about him anyway. Well done.<BR/><BR/>As a matter of fact, there is no normative "Straussianism" to speak of. Whatever your friend got in the class was his teacher's version of Strauss, not Strauss himself. Strauss' best virtue was his openmindedness, to question not only others, but our own presumptions.<BR/><BR/>One Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-45918768163017461442008-04-25T13:57:00.000-04:002008-04-25T13:57:00.000-04:00Are you serious about your mom, DA??Wow. That's as...Are you serious about your mom, DA??<BR/><BR/>Wow. That's astonishing! She must be made of pretty stern stuff.<BR/><BR/>I shouldn't be piping up, only seeing half of what's going on here, but Strauss is such a joke that mention of him evoked the blog-comment-ish equivalent of a laugh from me.<BR/><BR/>My good and extremely smart and level-headed friend S. rex was forced to endure a whole class inWinston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-56192188396876408122008-04-25T13:34:00.000-04:002008-04-25T13:34:00.000-04:00Actually the 1933 letter to Loewith requires caref...Actually the 1933 letter to Loewith requires careful study, first of all, what was meant by "fascism" in 1933, which is not what it means in 2008.<BR/><BR/>And yes, he predicted that some or most would prefer the Wikipedia to the actual source---which I courteously linked for you---since the latter requires actual effort.<BR/><BR/>Neither is agreement required to learn something from someone elseTom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.com