tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post2200025787672852584..comments2024-03-26T12:23:29.784-04:00Comments on Philosoraptor: Winston Smithhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-90554980122365177442007-10-31T13:57:00.000-04:002007-10-31T13:57:00.000-04:00Tom,I posted this on another thread, but it seems ...Tom,<BR/><BR/>I posted this on another thread, but it seems appropriate here too:<BR/><BR/>If you really think that this is just a partisan echo chamber, I have two questions for you.<BR/><BR/>First, why do you continue to post here? And second, why don't you post at a diverse place like Obsidian Wings? Posters from all over the political spectrum post there, with the only requirements being thatAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-22194846552810945612007-10-30T16:19:00.000-04:002007-10-30T16:19:00.000-04:00I do not recognize the verdict of this kangaroo co...I do not recognize the verdict of this kangaroo court. Sorry. I don't believe you or your fellows would fare very well in even a neutral venue, let alone as one partisan as this with colors reversed.<BR/><BR/>I searched for evidence to support your proposition, WS. Didn't come up with anything, really.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-55393307005039664142007-10-28T23:14:00.000-04:002007-10-28T23:14:00.000-04:00I think I've made it clear I'm not going to let yo...I think I've made it clear I'm not going to let you waste my time with stuff like this anymore. You want to defend the claim, e.g., that the Earth is flat, don't ask me to scrupulously Google my sources when I dismiss your silliness.<BR/><BR/>Exactly how many times do I have to say "I'm not going to waste my time anymore?" We've been over this stuff a million times. When facts and arguments are Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-602210893969858132007-10-28T14:47:00.000-04:002007-10-28T14:47:00.000-04:00One example, one sentence would have sufficed. I ...One example, one sentence would have sufficed. I don't see the point of writing me numerous paragraphs if there's not a single fact or argument included. That's a waste of time.<BR/><BR/>What I recall is GOP partisans warning Bush not to bother to cozy up to Ted Kennedy, who would screw him in the end. Which is what happened.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-38969352898210432152007-10-28T12:59:00.000-04:002007-10-28T12:59:00.000-04:00Surely you are not seriously suggesting that this ...Surely you are not seriously suggesting that this point is in question and requires us to compile a list of Bush's divisive actions?<BR/><BR/>That's just silly, man. C'mon. If you're not going to take this seriously, then why should I?<BR/><BR/>It sounds like you're just assiduously applying the differential standards of proof ploy. Goes like this: I insist that my opponent prove beyond a shadow Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-49417269368964948362007-10-27T19:40:00.000-04:002007-10-27T19:40:00.000-04:00I'm willing to listen to your evidence.I was repor...I'm willing to listen to your evidence.<BR/><BR/>I was reporting on something I personally was paying particular attention to. As always, I could be wrong.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-72000588024433823692007-10-27T09:26:00.000-04:002007-10-27T09:26:00.000-04:00Last point to Tom:You're focusing overmuch on call...Last point to Tom:<BR/>You're focusing overmuch on calling the other party by name or something. If you think that Bush didn't become divisive until 2004...jeez, man, I just don't know what to say to you!!!Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-49030089100885221932007-10-27T09:24:00.000-04:002007-10-27T09:24:00.000-04:00Good point, Richard.And it's 4-5 counting the emba...Good point, Richard.<BR/><BR/>And it's 4-5 counting the embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania.<BR/><BR/>(Retaliation for which was, of course, called dog-wagging by our friends on the other side of the aisle...)<BR/><BR/>Though:<BR/>Given that we retaliated for this, and given that the Clinton admin warned the in-coming Bush admin about the threat, and given the "al Qaeda Determined to Strike Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-16077293967177681972007-10-27T09:15:00.000-04:002007-10-27T09:15:00.000-04:00Tom, you've just got to stop trying to equate Clin...Tom, you've just got to stop trying to equate Clinton with Bush in these ways. It's simply absurd. *Of course* every president has some dust-ups with the other party. But Clinton was preternaturally restrained given the abuse he had to put up with. This is an error you keep making, and I keep calling you on: what's relevant here is a profound difference in degree. No one is saying that no other Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-7355643968607571352007-10-27T06:53:00.000-04:002007-10-27T06:53:00.000-04:00I suggest one edit. aQ did not get just one sucke...I suggest one edit. aQ did not get just one sucker punch, they got at least three: the first WTC bombing, the attack on the USS Cole, and 9/11. <BR/><BR/>I was disappointed to learn that the USS Cole bombers have not only escaped, but now some of them have been formally released:<BR/><BR/>http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/10/26/uss.cole/index.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-57620122633467486842007-10-27T05:24:00.000-04:002007-10-27T05:24:00.000-04:00WS, terrific list. It puts front and center the n...WS, terrific list. It puts front and center the need for restoration from the Bushists running roughshod over the Constitution. That, coupled with craven Republicans and lily-livered Democrats in Congress, erased separation of powers for long enough to let Iraq happen, so fixing it is the priority. But, then, you obviously know that already.lovable liberalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15616294696912710046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-37427998381284962792007-10-26T17:24:00.000-04:002007-10-26T17:24:00.000-04:00Well, I was taking note. I remember a day in 1997...Well, I was taking note. I remember a day in 1997 or so when Clinton bashed the Republicans by name, and thinking, "I don't remember him ever doing that before."<BR/><BR/>So I watched the Dubya administration for the same thing. The first bash I noticed wasn't until summer 2004 when Ashcroft criticized Clinton in the 9/11 hearings. For Bush himself, the second term.<BR/><BR/>These are just my Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-24671258032147770702007-10-26T16:35:00.000-04:002007-10-26T16:35:00.000-04:00I dunno, Tom...I gotta say, I got the feeling Duby...I dunno, Tom...I gotta say, I got the feeling Dubya was giving me the finger as soon as the recount debacle began. He seemed about as divisive as he could get about as soon as he could manage it.<BR/><BR/>Now, I left the recount debacle and the Bush v. Gore dust-up absolutely fuming. My colleagues kept saying they thought my head was going to explode. So my impressions could be all out of whack.Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-26102155454764658822007-10-26T16:20:00.000-04:002007-10-26T16:20:00.000-04:00It appears so, WS. I ran across some approving Wa...It appears so, WS. I ran across some approving WaPo articles that said it's quite a deliberate choice on Obama's part, too, but perhaps "too nice" to have any appeal.<BR/><BR/>But it's the only reason he has any appeal for me, and I agree with Myca that Obama's been the best of all of 'em. (Surely I agree with him on virtually none of the issues.)<BR/><BR/>There is even a possibility that I'd Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-69319021859297931802007-10-26T15:07:00.000-04:002007-10-26T15:07:00.000-04:00Yeah, Obama's the man in that regard.And Tom's rig...Yeah, Obama's the man in that regard.<BR/><BR/>And Tom's right: that's part of why he probably doesn't have a chance.Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-91645810651668278592007-10-26T13:58:00.000-04:002007-10-26T13:58:00.000-04:00I think Obama has been making promising noises tha...I think Obama has been making promising noises that direction, especially with his religious rhetoric, which I believe is heartfelt.<BR/><BR/>---MycaMycahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06169534197143405966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-28091184950539740322007-10-26T13:35:00.000-04:002007-10-26T13:35:00.000-04:00Per 7), I've been of a mind to vote for anyone who...Per 7), I've been of a mind to vote for anyone who's interested in being the president of <I>all</I> the people of the United States, I'm so sick of this stuff. But I'm not sure there's anyone out there like that. For one thing, it makes it hard to get through the primaries.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-53101073572563073192007-10-25T23:39:00.000-04:002007-10-25T23:39:00.000-04:00Kucinich, definitely...Kucinich, definitely...Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-56390581301248589792007-10-25T22:25:00.000-04:002007-10-25T22:25:00.000-04:00Al Qaeda is a bunch of punk-ass bitches.Just out o...<I>Al Qaeda is a bunch of punk-ass bitches.</I><BR/><BR/>Just out of curiosity, which candidates can you *actually* picture saying this?<BR/><BR/>(picturing John Edwards saying this)<BR/><BR/>(laughing)<BR/><BR/>Mind you, I *like* Edwards, and he's my second choice. I just can't picture him saying the words "punk-ass bitches"<BR/><BR/>(giggling)Random Michelle Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13817444379694818074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-27251982789854791992007-10-25T21:33:00.000-04:002007-10-25T21:33:00.000-04:00Do you really mean "strategic" reasons? Or do you...Do you really mean "strategic" reasons? Or do you mean "operational" reasons?<BR/><BR/> I think Bush was lying for strategic reasons when there was no other option: the strategy was war with Iraq, and there was no honest way to do it.<BR/><BR/>- macAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-74584082974889006062007-10-25T21:04:00.000-04:002007-10-25T21:04:00.000-04:00Yes, yes, 10.5 thousand times yes!Yes, yes, 10.5 thousand times yes!Jim Baleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09322487665818601057noreply@blogger.com