tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post1353690487722527333..comments2024-03-26T12:23:29.784-04:00Comments on Philosoraptor: Volokh Fact-Checks Politifact's Fact-Checking of Trump on Violent Crime StatsWinston Smithhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-817983234365528482016-07-22T20:37:43.276-04:002016-07-22T20:37:43.276-04:00Yeah, we could do a lot worse than we've been ...Yeah, we could do a lot worse than we've been doing here.Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-41149556008183944212016-07-22T16:42:54.253-04:002016-07-22T16:42:54.253-04:00IMO, the Politifact v. Volokh disagreement--and th...IMO, the Politifact v. Volokh disagreement--and the discussion here--is a sign of good health in that part of the political world.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-21152506680255073102016-07-22T14:57:00.262-04:002016-07-22T14:57:00.262-04:00Hmmm....
Ok...I'm starting to think that you ...Hmmm....<br /><br />Ok...I'm starting to think that you guys are right and I'm wrong. Also Volokh. <br /><br />I'm not 100% down with "Pants On Fire"...but his drawers are smoldering a bit, at least.Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-54350595761411754982016-07-22T10:57:35.645-04:002016-07-22T10:57:35.645-04:00If we constrain our operation to scrutiny of the c...If we constrain our operation to scrutiny of the claim "crime is rising," we have to take it as a general claim and scrutinize it in general terms. <br /><br />If Trump had said "Preliminary data shows a dramatic uptick in violent crime over this past year," that'd be a true assertion. But that's not what he did. Instead, he made a broad, general claim, and in a The Mystichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00813641115915460692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-66906409652311863652016-07-22T10:44:20.655-04:002016-07-22T10:44:20.655-04:00Here are some stats:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/...Here are some stats:<br />http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/fact-check-trump-crime-rates<br /><br />Drum has also mentioned stats like this many times. I've found both Talkingpoints and Drum to be honest (they'll correct themselves and admit the error)Aahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00045786882607525394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-51748108176813868652016-07-22T10:33:15.650-04:002016-07-22T10:33:15.650-04:00Ok, I feel ya.
But what about the defense that T...Ok, I feel ya. <br /><br />But what about the defense that Trump merely asserts that (1) *crime is rising,* not (2) *crime is rising because of Obama*? <br /><br />Also, doesn't Politifact say that it's evaluating (1), not (2)? <br /><br />Even if this is right, it doesn't really engage with the core of your argument, though.Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-73035831743015517452016-07-22T10:25:02.207-04:002016-07-22T10:25:02.207-04:00Well, Politifact says that rating is reserved for ...Well, Politifact says that rating is reserved for false statements which make ridiculous claims, so their argument is:<br /><br />1) It is false that "Crime is rising."<br />2) It is ridiculous to claim that crime in America is on the rise because of Obama. For, not only is Obama not responsible for a rise in crime, but there is no evidence for a trend-reversing rise in crime for whichThe Mystichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00813641115915460692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-85969276106021548832016-07-22T10:05:39.403-04:002016-07-22T10:05:39.403-04:00That seems reasonable...but what about the "P...That seems reasonable...but what about the "Pants on fire" rating? I mean, it kinda seems to me like Trump even has a defense against a straightforward *false* rating... I can see a good argument for *mostly false*...and even one for *false*...but *Pants On Fire*? <br /><br />Now I'm pretty unsure and would have to put more thought into this than I'd like to put into it...Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-39615958339512997112016-07-22T09:56:45.089-04:002016-07-22T09:56:45.089-04:00Ehhhh... I'll disagree on this one. I, myself...Ehhhh... I'll disagree on this one. I, myself, have called out Politifact on what I thought were incorrect analyses, but this doesn't seem to be one of them to me.<br /><br />It seems to me that Trump clearly claimed broadly that "Crime is rising," and he used it as part of a rhetorical series of assertions designed to indicate that Obama's presidency has observed this The Mystichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00813641115915460692noreply@blogger.com