tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post114579932804942851..comments2024-03-26T12:23:29.784-04:00Comments on Philosoraptor: Winston Smithhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-1146243102851641252006-04-28T12:51:00.000-04:002006-04-28T12:51:00.000-04:00Poor TVD, caught in loveless blogging experimentat...Poor TVD, caught in loveless blogging experimentation...<BR/><BR/>Whatever, indeed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-1146146710298758432006-04-27T10:05:00.000-04:002006-04-27T10:05:00.000-04:00Via Drum, this bit on some of the latest kookiness...<EM>Via Drum, this bit on some of the latest kookiness from the lunatics in the Bush administration. To summarize: <BR/><BR/>SEX BAD! SEX BAD! </EM><BR/><BR/>How did this thread get off on the theology of sex? I understand that the lunatics are pandering to a voting bloc that identifies itself as religious, but it’s still about the next election rather than theology. <BR/><BR/>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-1146110336014193392006-04-26T23:58:00.000-04:002006-04-26T23:58:00.000-04:00Whatever, LL. I'm still not feeling the love. Myc...Whatever, LL. I'm still not feeling the love. <BR/><BR/>Myca, you're correct, but neither are women past child-bearing age discouraged from sex. In fact <I>fides</I> encourages it. My point is not to shtup dogma about sex on anybody, but to illustrate that its theology defies simplification.<BR/><BR/>Thomas has some beautiful things to say about it, and his "natural law" is pretty close to Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-1146108945934295152006-04-26T23:35:00.000-04:002006-04-26T23:35:00.000-04:00Hmm, TVD, Republitaliban relates to Republican muc...Hmm, TVD, <I>Republitaliban</I> relates to <I>Republican</I> much as <I>Islamist</I> relates to <I>Muslim</I> - a subset, influential but a subset. Should I name names? Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Phyllis Schlafly, Tom DeLay. Bill Frist panders to them, but that's nothing new. So does any Republican who wants to be a Presidential contender or any kind of power broker. That's why Rudy Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-1146101695526026792006-04-26T21:34:00.000-04:002006-04-26T21:34:00.000-04:00sorry to come so late to the party. tvd is acccur...sorry to come so late to the party. tvd is acccurate in saying that "Procreation is not the sole purpose of the sex act," but the church teaches that if a sex act is such that procreation is not possible, for example Clinton-Lewinski, then it is not a good moral act.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.ewtn.com/library/MARRIAGE/MORMAR.TXT" REL="nofollow">Link</A> i found on the first google page i got.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-1146094171169860522006-04-26T19:29:00.000-04:002006-04-26T19:29:00.000-04:00Exactly right, Winston . . . not to mention that a...Exactly right, Winston . . . not to mention that as far as I can tell, there are very very very few people openly advocating teen pregnancy, loveless sexual experimentation, and wanton debauchery, and quite a sizable number openly advocating a puritanical code of sexual conduct.<BR/><BR/>---MycaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-1146086845776026462006-04-26T17:27:00.000-04:002006-04-26T17:27:00.000-04:00Well, there's a happy medium, right?It seems that ...Well, there's a happy medium, right?<BR/><BR/>It seems that you can err in these matters in at least two different ways. Some people are sucked into puritanism and miss out on something important about life. Some people are sucked into hyper-hedonism and sink down that sewer.<BR/><BR/>Seems like the thing to do would be to be honest with people about these two extremes. Sex is fun, but entailsWinston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-1146028236181356252006-04-26T01:10:00.000-04:002006-04-26T01:10:00.000-04:00Do you think so, j?Is a child, a person, more like...Do you think so, j?<BR/><BR/>Is a child, a person, more likely to be harmed psychologically by puritanical parents or loveless sexual experimentation? (We shall leave out the teenage baby-making thing for now, altho it's eventually part of the equation.)<BR/><BR/>And for the record, as a self-professed Christian (let it be known I'm not a very good one and there are many who would toss me out), Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-1146022281946200382006-04-25T23:31:00.000-04:002006-04-25T23:31:00.000-04:00sure, we can say that sex isnt dirty and winston i...sure, we can say that sex isnt dirty and winston is certainly not a priest. but thats just because we have the luxury of not being his (hypothetical) 12 year old daughter who is being told otherwise.<BR/><BR/>the real victims of sexual puritanism are the children who are essentially being lied to by their parents.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-1145988365495096252006-04-25T14:06:00.000-04:002006-04-25T14:06:00.000-04:00Sex isn't dirty. And no one will ever confuse you...Sex isn't dirty. And no one will ever confuse you with a priest.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-1145967852828676342006-04-25T08:24:00.000-04:002006-04-25T08:24:00.000-04:00Oh mighty orthodoxy, let not any temptation to nau...Oh mighty orthodoxy, let not any temptation to naughtiness tempt me...<BR/><BR/>tho I won't be having kids, I hope that if I did I'd have rather more sense than to teach them that sex was dirty and that I was their "high priest."Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-1145933413918520912006-04-24T22:50:00.000-04:002006-04-24T22:50:00.000-04:00Yeah, I hear you, WS. I'm a rebel, too. I throw ...Yeah, I hear you, WS. I'm a rebel, too. I throw trash in the recycle bin. Up the establishment.<BR/><BR/>We shall revisit your position on all this when your as of yet unconceived daughter reaches 14. Or twelve, these days.<BR/><BR/>(As for Brother Thomas, he's not God and he's not always right. Just astoundingly often. Altho an apologist, he writes more for you than me, to the unconvinced Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-1145927738968253532006-04-24T21:15:00.000-04:002006-04-24T21:15:00.000-04:00Well, I don't think we're talking about Aquinas he...Well, I don't think we're talking about Aquinas here...rather, about contemporary fundies and suchlike. Though as I understand it, Aquinas is not exactly a liberal about these matters...<BR/><BR/>And, yeah, I'm not advocating telling kids about kinky sex. I'm just advocating kinky sex.<BR/><BR/>I mean if it pisses off the fundies then, hey, I'm willing to do my duty.Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-1145926948266984602006-04-24T21:02:00.000-04:002006-04-24T21:02:00.000-04:00I'm just not feeling the love, lovable. "Republit...I'm just not feeling the love, lovable. "Republitaliban"? That's like descending into self-parody, man.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-1145916951274786072006-04-24T18:15:00.000-04:002006-04-24T18:15:00.000-04:00Yeah, the Catholic church denies it is hostile to ...Yeah, the Catholic church denies it is hostile to sex, too. But its every policy related to sex is one of denial - much like the Republitaliban.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-1145910613385364202006-04-24T16:30:00.000-04:002006-04-24T16:30:00.000-04:00I'm afraid you fell into the same canard that Hilz...I'm afraid you fell into the same canard that Hilzoy did recently about the theology of sex. (Her commenters did an OK job of correcting her misconceptions, but as usual I'd recommend <A HREF="http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/aquinas-moral-political/" REL="nofollow">Thomas Aquinas</A>, whose distinction is between good and bad sex. (Procreation is not the sole purpose of the sex act, BTW; seeTom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-1145823866382177522006-04-23T16:24:00.000-04:002006-04-23T16:24:00.000-04:00Damn, too bad the country didn't vote for Gore to ...Damn, too bad the country didn't vote for Gore to be our president.<BR/><BR/>Oh wait...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-1145814807283898272006-04-23T13:53:00.000-04:002006-04-23T13:53:00.000-04:00Al Gore: "Any force that tries to make you feel sh...<A HREF="http://www.marriagedebate.com/2006/04/al-gore-former-vice-president-al-gore.htm" REL="nofollow">Al Gore</A>: "Any force that tries to make you feel shame for being who you are, and loving who you love, is a form of tyranny over your mind. And it must be rejected, resisted, and defeated."rilkefanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01189347779617969628noreply@blogger.com