tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post111909848207770140..comments2024-03-26T12:23:29.784-04:00Comments on Philosoraptor: Winston Smithhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-1119551039227871712005-06-23T14:23:00.000-04:002005-06-23T14:23:00.000-04:00The article I liked to had GOP Sen. Rick Santorum ...The article I liked to had GOP Sen. Rick Santorum front and center.<BR/><BR/>It is wrong, and it is specious. Period.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-1119486806344347772005-06-22T20:33:00.000-04:002005-06-22T20:33:00.000-04:00tvd opines "But until somebody breaks out the Zykl...tvd opines "But until somebody breaks out the Zyklon B, ya can't play the Hitler Card. Period."<BR/><BR/>Wonder if he has seen <A HREF="http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Questions_of_hypocrisy_in_Republican_attacks_on_senator_who_raised_Nazis_in_Guantanamo_c_0620.html" REL="nofollow">this</A> list of God's Own Party's playing the card? I musta missed the Zyklon B.<BR/><BR/>so sez The Duke of PrunesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-1119449961492321752005-06-22T10:19:00.000-04:002005-06-22T10:19:00.000-04:00tvd, you're welcome.Funny quote you've got there -...tvd, you're welcome.<BR/><BR/>Funny quote you've got there - obviously written by someone who has been regularly accused of being a troll. The writer is smarting from being accused openly, rather than slyly, as you have done, but no hard feelings. You merely returned my insult with <I>tu quoque</I>, however quietly.<BR/><BR/>The passage you quoted is quite a laundry list of rationalizations forAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-1119426245107981722005-06-22T03:44:00.000-04:002005-06-22T03:44:00.000-04:00Apparently, Mr. Voltaire has left the building. F...Apparently, Mr. Voltaire has left the building. <BR/><BR/>From <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll" REL="nofollow">Wiki</A>:<BR/><BR/>"As a pejorative, the term "troll" may also be a slander of opponents in heated debates, a tactic often used by trolls and non-trolls. Many times a person will post a sincere message that they are emotionally sensitive about and trolls know that Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-1119393790749465082005-06-21T18:43:00.000-04:002005-06-21T18:43:00.000-04:00Who would tvd think of when hearing objective desc...Who would tvd think of when hearing objective descriptions of what our people have done in our name? Skull and Bones?<BR/><BR/>Apparently, fearing the repetition of truthful words on al-Jazeera, he would deny thinking of the Nazis and make the dishonest leap to accuse Dick Durbin of calling Gitmo a death camp (see, that's how the Republican logic works). This denial of Durbin's right to tell Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-1119138985345369122005-06-18T19:56:00.000-04:002005-06-18T19:56:00.000-04:00That's a very calm, nuanced script you wrote for t...That's a very calm, nuanced script you wrote for the Administration, WS, but I think it would be drowned in the DefCon 4 of the Hitler Card.<BR/><BR/>I mean, we might be able to slip Hitler and Pol Pot in now and then during our customary calm and nuanced discussions around here, but you don't do it when it'll be on al-Jazeera in 45 minutes, for Pete's sake.<BR/><BR/>Hitler is more than a Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-1119131717682688822005-06-18T17:55:00.000-04:002005-06-18T17:55:00.000-04:00Actually, what we need to do here--as with many ot...Actually, what we need to do here--as with many other argumentative questions of contemporary American politics--is figure out what's reasonable ahead of time.<BR/><BR/>E.g., when are Hitler analogies reasonable?<BR/><BR/>What about the (evil) "Oh, so you're saying that our troops have died in vain" ploy?<BR/><BR/>Under what conditions, if any, is it reasonable to insist that we support the Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-1119131518507672002005-06-18T17:51:00.000-04:002005-06-18T17:51:00.000-04:00Not true.If x resembles Hitler in respect R, then ...Not true.<BR/><BR/>If x resembles Hitler in respect R, then it's perfectly respectable to say so.<BR/><BR/>E.g. if some politician were to employ the "Big Lie" strategy, then it would be perfectly reasonable to point this out even if he resembled Hitler in no other respect.<BR/><BR/>One problem here is strategic overreaction. You catch me doing something Hitlerian (the Big Lie strategy's a good Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-1119131056392433912005-06-18T17:44:00.000-04:002005-06-18T17:44:00.000-04:00What can I say? I'm not addressing the particular...What can I say? I'm not addressing the particulars of the case, or defending the Republicans' opportunistic counterattack.<BR/><BR/>But until somebody breaks out the Zyklon B, ya can't play the Hitler Card. Period.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-1119130241593216842005-06-18T17:30:00.000-04:002005-06-18T17:30:00.000-04:00Jeez, tvd, you're just wrong.Durbin didn't say tha...Jeez, tvd, you're just wrong.<BR/><BR/>Durbin didn't say that we were like the Nazis in any way other than this particular one. And, again, he's right. Dunno what I can add to the above: hear a description of the case and it's hard to believe that it's the Americans and not the Nazis perpetrating it.<BR/><BR/>If you disagree with that is it b/c you think that it's unsuprising that we're doing Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-1119122694855073972005-06-18T15:24:00.000-04:002005-06-18T15:24:00.000-04:00"Differences of degree matter, and great differenc..."Differences of degree matter, and great differences of degree matter greatly. Nobody's perfect, but that doesn't mean that everybody's equal."<BR/><BR/>Who could disagree with this sage Raptorism from the last post? Durbin's exaggeration is on par with the propaganda of Joseph Goebbels, the inventor of the Big Lie, which led to Hitler killing 6 million Jews, gypsies and gays.<BR/><BR/>I'm not Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-1119100104427112472005-06-18T09:08:00.000-04:002005-06-18T09:08:00.000-04:00Isn't it lovely? Just think how cool it's going t...Isn't it lovely? Just think how cool it's going to be after another 3 years of this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com