tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post5217212687807161966..comments2024-03-26T12:23:29.784-04:00Comments on Philosoraptor: Scott Alexander, Slate Star Codex: You Are Still Crying Wolf (About Trump and Racism)Winston Smithhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-64188415210838313852016-11-18T23:32:49.351-05:002016-11-18T23:32:49.351-05:00Cruz is a Republican, for one thing.
For another,...Cruz is a Republican, for one thing. <br />For another, he didn't spend his childhood in strange and exotic lands.<br /><br />They're really very different cases.<br /><br />Racism *might* play a role in birtherism, obviously. I expect that it *is* a driver for a fair number of individuals. But it's clear that we can't conclude--as many on the left do--that it's *obviously Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-2869623706854492332016-11-18T16:53:20.119-05:002016-11-18T16:53:20.119-05:00Strangely, there were no Ted Cruz birthers worth m...Strangely, there were no Ted Cruz birthers worth mentioning, despite his mother being Canadian. I am sure the race and nationality of Obama's father had nothing to do with this coincidence.Pete Mackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14675790226494153847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-24661275996974318562016-11-18T13:57:47.818-05:002016-11-18T13:57:47.818-05:00I don't think birtherism is racist, just crazy...I don't think birtherism is racist, just crazy. I didn't even realize that people thought it was racist until pretty late in the game. I think it's because his father was from a Very Distant Place and he (BHO) is maybe a secret Mooslim, and he spent a bunch of time in Indonesia, and Hawaii...well...that's only *kinda* 'Merka anyway... <br /><br />Or God knows. <br /><br />ButWinston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-72145786868985892372016-11-18T13:44:36.438-05:002016-11-18T13:44:36.438-05:00And don't forget the birtherism. Playing foots...And don't forget the birtherism. Playing footsie with folks who think Obama is a Muslim foreigner lacks a little je ne sais quoiPete Mackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14675790226494153847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-73867975133804249742016-11-18T11:20:53.651-05:002016-11-18T11:20:53.651-05:00These comments are all really helpful to me, I wan...These comments are all really helpful to me, I want to point out.<br /><br />I think this is a hard question. <br /><br />And, yeah, the Sessions thing ain't good.Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-75325017642539506172016-11-18T11:09:50.999-05:002016-11-18T11:09:50.999-05:00... and the Trump moots Jeff Sessions for AG. He s...... and the Trump moots Jeff Sessions for AG. He sure likes flirting around the edges.Pete Mackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14675790226494153847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-72916641677108727432016-11-18T10:26:04.511-05:002016-11-18T10:26:04.511-05:00Winston,
I was pretty convinced that Trump was no...Winston,<br /><br />I was pretty convinced that Trump was not a racist, but had just been willing to instrumentally use underlying racism in a lot of the electorate, but now I'm not so sure.<br /><br />Someone reminded by of how he was sued in 1973 by NIXON'S Justice Department for housing discrimination.<br /><br />http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/sep/27/Lewis Carrollnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-83583646431619273852016-11-18T10:16:08.413-05:002016-11-18T10:16:08.413-05:00I think there are some simple observations here ab...I think there are some simple observations here about which most would probably agree:<br /><br />1) The left does cry wolf regarding racism way, way too much.<br />2) The fact of (1) implies a reduction in the capacity to identify and challenge actual racism.<br /><br />3) There were unquestionably, irrefutably racist statements made by trump during his campaign.<br /><br />Regarding 3, one The Mystichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00813641115915460692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-30863892896868688222016-11-18T10:01:55.518-05:002016-11-18T10:01:55.518-05:001. Yeah, the conservatives are probably largely ri...1. Yeah, the conservatives are probably largely right on this issue. My explanation was only tried as a synthesis of the liberal and conservative positions. I wanted to provide an explanation such that it prevents the liberals from calling everything that the right does racist, while still giving them the ability to diagnose racism and prejudice on the right, and even under some of their Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-76974506206936926682016-11-18T08:34:26.460-05:002016-11-18T08:34:26.460-05:00Sorry, A, I read your comment on my moderation pag...Sorry, A, I read your comment on my moderation page and it cut off the last half of it.<br /><br />I don't think that anyone would deny that there's some racism on the right. There's some racism on the left, as well. But more on the right. Conservative policies, even when well-motivated, just tend to be the kind racists like more. <br /><br />Personally, I'm just (a) skeptical of Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-60405782756278444732016-11-18T08:28:03.278-05:002016-11-18T08:28:03.278-05:00L,
I have not read that--will do so.
A,
Those see...L,<br />I have not read that--will do so.<br /><br />A,<br />Those seem like possible explanations...but the real question here is: why does the left strain so hard to explain thoughts and actions on the right in terms of prejudice?<br /><br />One might suggest that it itself is a kind of prejudice...though I hesitate to go down that road...Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-57957848254018828562016-11-18T00:25:18.278-05:002016-11-18T00:25:18.278-05:00Yep. This piece by Scott Alexander should be rega...Yep. This piece by Scott Alexander should be regarded as an internet classic.<br /><br />http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anything-except-the-outgroup/Lorenzohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00305933404442191098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-58630193436736903122016-11-17T22:47:31.062-05:002016-11-17T22:47:31.062-05:00Could it be reasonably argued that, despite gains ...Could it be reasonably argued that, despite gains among minority groups, and a lack of gains among white people, that a non-trivial amount of white people voted for Trump because a considerable amount of his policies are consistent with an at bottom minimally racist view of the world? That is, the kind of racism that's implicit the desire for mass deportations for illegal immigrants, rather Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com