tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post4812110242831055976..comments2024-03-26T12:23:29.784-04:00Comments on Philosoraptor: Winston Smithhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-25443914325737919572011-02-09T07:53:20.024-05:002011-02-09T07:53:20.024-05:00Is he *ever* going to come out against the "P...<i>Is he *ever* going to come out against the "Patriot" act?</i><br /><br /><a href="http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/142733-white-house-wants-longer-extension-of-patriot-act-than-house-republicans" rel="nofollow">http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/142733-white-house-wants-longer-extension-of-patriot-act-than-house-republicans</a><br /><br />though 3 years sets him C-Nihilisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16593930492411196818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-28899074462210016332011-02-08T14:11:34.926-05:002011-02-08T14:11:34.926-05:00Alright, dumbshit. Sophomoric reasoning is one thi...Alright, dumbshit. Sophomoric reasoning is one thing, but that last puerile outburst earns you a permanent ban.<br /><br />Go elsewhere.Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-73194496977385994472011-02-08T13:40:35.553-05:002011-02-08T13:40:35.553-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Mr.Fundamentalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16475863637866037045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-46252875343320252882011-02-08T13:24:17.286-05:002011-02-08T13:24:17.286-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Mr.Fundamentalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16475863637866037045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-82788724132249086302011-02-08T12:18:07.743-05:002011-02-08T12:18:07.743-05:00Yeah....no.
As I've already shown, your centr...Yeah....no.<br /><br />As I've already shown, your central claim is false. It is not true that one is evil if one takes a job knowing that it will entail being responsible for the deaths of innocents. Everyone who takes the job of President knows he will be responsible for the death of innocents; everyone who becomes a doctor knows that. <br /><br />The fact is that all you can hope to do if Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-76265404369501062422011-02-08T10:28:44.421-05:002011-02-08T10:28:44.421-05:00I wasn't looking for a perfect little nugget o...I wasn't looking for a perfect little nugget of pristine logic on the matter, bubs. and yet the evidence that Obama is rotten keeps coming in. <a href="http://www.indexoncensorship.org/2011/02/obama-intervention-puts-yemen-reporter-in-jail/" rel="nofollow">here</a> is another data point.<br /><br />Obama sought the office of the Presidency of the United States, which is kind of specific. Mr.Fundamentalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16475863637866037045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-16948972192845668172011-02-06T07:53:42.734-05:002011-02-06T07:53:42.734-05:00Repeating the same false and unsupported claim ove...Repeating the same false and unsupported claim over and over again does not change the fact that it is false and unsupported. I've already explained why your claim doesn't make any sense. There are all sorts of reasons to worry about Obama's record on the matters under discussion. But I'm not going to let this blog turn into a platform for rabid, irrational anti-Obama hysteria. Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-65529673693318121582011-02-05T20:03:00.167-05:002011-02-05T20:03:00.167-05:00Obama has ordered people to their deaths, for no g...Obama has ordered people to their deaths, for no good reason. he is a cold blooded murderer, and an awful person.Mr.Fundamentalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16475863637866037045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-46505641078643369912011-02-05T13:39:32.141-05:002011-02-05T13:39:32.141-05:00M,
Unlike Mr. Fundamental's arguments, these ...M,<br /><br />Unlike Mr. Fundamental's arguments, these are worth taking seriously--hence my post. <br /><br />To conclude that Obama is evil, or "a George Lucas character" seems pretty crazy to me...it goes far beyond any evidence we actually have, and is inconsistent with things we have very good reason to believe about the guy.<br /><br />But it's very puzzling and troubling.Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-44814881500957559252011-02-04T15:21:32.379-05:002011-02-04T15:21:32.379-05:00i won't call it a straw man, but "Anyone ...i won't call it a straw man, but <i>"Anyone who undertakes a task knowing that his actions will result in the deaths of innocent people is a terrible person,"</i> which yes, has many counterexamples, kind of loses it's luster if we consider the specifics of the case under discussion: <br /><br />1. Obama undertook the task of being President of the United States knowing that hisC-Nihilisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16593930492411196818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-3936080888440263382011-02-04T12:55:26.181-05:002011-02-04T12:55:26.181-05:00Thing is, that point does nothing to undermine the...Thing is, that point does nothing to undermine the point I make in the previous comment. What you've provided there is (1) a gesture at an invalid response, and (2)the mere repetition of your claim. Of course neither of those things carries any logical weight. So, as it stands, your case fails. I don't see any way to get around that, either. I can't think of any way to defend your Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-24858734087354290612011-02-04T11:20:04.564-05:002011-02-04T11:20:04.564-05:00a doctor swears an oath to do no harm when he star...a doctor swears an oath to do no harm when he starts out. . .I don't think that is what Obama swore when taking office. he knew he was going to be responsible for killing people deliberately. he is awful.Mr.Fundamentalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16475863637866037045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-86727406949559905152011-02-04T07:54:33.347-05:002011-02-04T07:54:33.347-05:00First, you'll need to keep a civil keyboard un...First, you'll need to keep a civil keyboard under your fingers. But I understand your pique given my responses...but I honestly didn't think you could be serious.<br /><br />Your proposed principle seems to be: <br /><br />Anyone who undertakes a task knowing that his actions will result in the deaths of innocent people is a terrible person.<br /><br /><br />But I'm not sure how you Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-44895746928535654322011-02-03T12:19:56.339-05:002011-02-03T12:19:56.339-05:00OH WOE IS ME.
look, you fucker, I'm serious A...OH WOE IS ME.<br /><br />look, you fucker, I'm serious AND sincere: give me a primer, an outline to guide me back to your version of sanity. show me the error of my ways. I'm trying to get what you're getting at so that I can maybe communicate with you in a reasonable way.Mr.Fundamentalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16475863637866037045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-33014139066847731412011-02-03T10:16:14.543-05:002011-02-03T10:16:14.543-05:00What I say about it is: no one could possibly asse...What I say about it is: no one could possibly assert that claim seriously. The errors are so obvious that there's simply no way you could not see them. So I conclude this is a bit of humorous trolling...Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-22077890389631521372011-02-03T09:59:43.863-05:002011-02-03T09:59:43.863-05:00of course I'm serious about this. I don't...of course I'm serious about this. I don't think that there is anything that can be done about it, it is the nature of the beast. <br /><br />my point stands. I'd like to read what you have to say about it.Mr.Fundamentalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16475863637866037045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-10028428615205967672011-02-01T11:29:17.992-05:002011-02-01T11:29:17.992-05:00Obama is a product of deterministic circumstance j...Obama is a product of deterministic circumstance just like the rest of us. he's a member of the ruling class, in the sense that, and this is cribbed from comments <a href="http://whoisioz.blogspot.com/2011/01/mediums-message.html?showComment=1296575796337#c4292995261269765783" rel="nofollow">elsewhere</a>: <br /><br /><i>"The ruling class comprises those people who have their own C-Nihilisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16593930492411196818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-46362990013814688722011-02-01T09:12:30.473-05:002011-02-01T09:12:30.473-05:00I was going to write: "You do realize, of cou...I was going to write: "You do realize, of course, that that argument is not even in the vicinity of even minimal reasonableness..." ...when I realized that there is simply no way that you're serious about it.Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-40778277552517946242011-02-01T09:00:21.890-05:002011-02-01T09:00:21.890-05:00it's simple really. Obama knew going in that ...it's simple really. Obama knew going in that he was going to be responsible for killing innocent people, because that is what the Presidency is about, like part of the job description. therefore he is awful.Mr.Fundamentalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16475863637866037045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-8525781549729318672011-01-31T15:05:07.595-05:002011-01-31T15:05:07.595-05:00Whew. I thought you were serious before. Now I see...Whew. I thought you were serious before. Now I see you're kidding.Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-11555576630447747422011-01-31T11:49:59.834-05:002011-01-31T11:49:59.834-05:00listen, professor, you have to wonder about the in...listen, professor, you have to wonder about the internal moral landscape of such a person. you can't not! yet you remain agnostic. look at the evidence: he's nearly quadrupled the troop levels in Afghanistan, drone strikes and incursions into Pakistan are up, as are civilian casualties, he hasn't done squat about Gitmo, his secretary of state is family friends with the Egyptian Mr.Fundamentalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16475863637866037045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-75304780607871303462011-01-30T10:37:42.062-05:002011-01-30T10:37:42.062-05:00Obama 4 Change!Obama 4 Change!Agihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16778381024099306149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-30130632800326463312011-01-30T09:07:23.922-05:002011-01-30T09:07:23.922-05:00Let's keep that no looniness policy in mind fo...Let's keep that no looniness policy in mind folks...Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-5410951126741173362011-01-29T18:33:04.030-05:002011-01-29T18:33:04.030-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Mr.Fundamentalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16475863637866037045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-19015960700755949682011-01-29T13:47:55.661-05:002011-01-29T13:47:55.661-05:00Sorry, Mr. Fundie, but I'm not the delusional ...Sorry, Mr. Fundie, but I'm not the delusional one here.<br /><br />You fail to stick to the proposition at issue. No one claimed they were not O's policies. The claim was that we do not yet have sufficient grounds to claim things like "he is evil," "he only cares about power," and other such extravagances.<br /><br />It's a bad idea to pretend that Obama has acted Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.com