tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post2611008969377973978..comments2024-03-26T12:23:29.784-04:00Comments on Philosoraptor: Amanda Marcotte Distorts Christina Hoff Summers's PositionWinston Smithhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-27463035952446259522013-01-17T10:45:54.315-05:002013-01-17T10:45:54.315-05:00Wow, DA, you have descended into utter bullshit.
...Wow, DA, you have descended into utter bullshit.<br /><br />This is now reminiscent of the D-Kos discussion...I make point A, you conclude that someone who says A must also think B, and then challenge me to defend B, a point irrelevant to the conversation...<br /><br />So we begin here with a simple, limited claim: Marcotte lied about CHS's claim. <br /><br />You complain about the fact that Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-87431133060264512332013-01-17T10:25:18.879-05:002013-01-17T10:25:18.879-05:00Are there any dreary, male-bashing, reality-denyin...<i>Are there any dreary, male-bashing, reality-denying feminisms?</i><br /><br />Then you should be able to point to some of them by name or publications or books or articles such women have written.<br /><br />Dworkin doesn't count because she's been dead a while, the same with the non-academic Valerie Solanas.<br /><br />Sorry, Winston, you swallow the camel of CHS's pseudo-extreme Dark Avengerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02220642215040873632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-35644508416124261562013-01-17T09:40:03.636-05:002013-01-17T09:40:03.636-05:001. Not a relevant question
2. You are avoiding an...1. Not a relevant question<br /><br />2. You are avoiding answering the relevant question.<br /><br />3. The answer to the relevant question is:<br /><br />(b) False.<br /><br />Summers says no such thing.<br /><br />4. Summers says that the author "...liberated her self from *a* dreary, male-bashing, reality-denying feminism."<br /><br />5. Thus Summers is saying that there is at leastWinston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-77477961864812235612013-01-17T09:11:44.134-05:002013-01-17T09:11:44.134-05:00True, Winston.
True or false, Winston:
Feminism ...True, Winston.<br /><br />True or false, Winston:<br /><br />Feminism is a matter of 'male-bashing, dreary, reality-denying' adherants like Ms. Marcotte, who demonstrates this by living with a partner who is male.<br /><br />Dark Avengerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02220642215040873632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-77260099104343061202013-01-17T07:50:15.469-05:002013-01-17T07:50:15.469-05:00Do make some effort to stick to what we call "...Do make some effort to stick to what we call "the point", please, DA:<br /><br />Marcotte:<br /><br />"Christina Hoff Summers specifically singled out “taming” as exactly what uppity bitches need.."<br /><br />This claim is:<br /><br />(a) True<br />(b) False<br /><br />?Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-10275503727613752722013-01-17T04:44:46.502-05:002013-01-17T04:44:46.502-05:00True, she called it a post-feminist "Taming o...True, she called it a post-feminist "Taming of the Shrew".<br /><br />And I see you don't want to talk about CHS claim that feminism is about being a 'dreary, man-bashing, reality-denying' kind of ideology.<br /><br />Motes and beams, Winston, moats and beams.Dark Avengerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02220642215040873632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-22273855347743226532013-01-16T18:06:13.912-05:002013-01-16T18:06:13.912-05:00Marcotte:
"Christina Hoff Summers specifical...Marcotte:<br /><br />"Christina Hoff Summers specifically singled out “taming” as exactly what uppity bitches need.."<br /><br />This claim is:<br /><br />(a) True<br />(b) False<br /><br />?Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-51599348515657635402013-01-16T10:40:52.468-05:002013-01-16T10:40:52.468-05:00C'mon, Winston, bashing feminists for being &q...C'mon, Winston, bashing feminists for being "Man-hating" is so 1968. <br /><br />The fact remains that CHS called it a "Post-feminist Taming of the Shrew". To imply that any kind of feminism is "man-hating" aside from CHS's own version of "feminism" is reductive nonsense. That should be obvious unless you think that Valerie Solanas was a Dark Avengerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02220642215040873632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-56176597350804234102013-01-16T10:22:10.932-05:002013-01-16T10:22:10.932-05:00Bullshit, DA, and you know it.
Nothing you quote ...Bullshit, DA, and you know it.<br /><br />Nothing you quote above deflects the criticism from Marcotte, because nothing in the CHS quote--and I quoted all the relevant parts--says *nor in any way implies* that women need "taming."<br /><br />So, sorry, but no.Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-49599186095318179112013-01-16T09:49:12.152-05:002013-01-16T09:49:12.152-05:00Why didn't you quote the whole of the CHS quot...Why didn't you quote the whole of the CHS quote, Winston:<br /><br /><b>An irresistible, post-feminist Taming of the Shrew. Don’t be scared by the premise. <i>This is not a story about a woman relinquishing her identiuty. Quite the opposite. It is a riveting tale about how a brilliant, strong-minded woman liberated herself from a dreary, male-bashing, reality-denying feminism</i></b><br /><brDark Avengerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02220642215040873632noreply@blogger.com