tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post1248495972992845134..comments2024-03-26T12:23:29.784-04:00Comments on Philosoraptor: Interesting Columbine Fact + Anti-Firearm Nonsense From Daily KosWinston Smithhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-34922146050093872952012-12-28T08:01:24.360-05:002012-12-28T08:01:24.360-05:00I've got to admit, I'm really confused now...I've got to admit, I'm really confused now, DA.<br /><br />Are we then agreeing that a handgun in the hands of one of the intended victims *will* typically shift the odds in favor of the good guys?Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-6512449628906528362012-12-26T17:27:47.913-05:002012-12-26T17:27:47.913-05:00C'mon, Winston, you attributed a POV to the GO...C'mon, Winston, you attributed a POV to the GOS post what wasn't there, as I demonstrated by my excerpt from said post.<br /><br />Claiming that some ghost lefties somewhere claim that not being armed entirely is safer than having armed civilians around in such circumstances(I mean, you couldn't even find someone expounding that view at Democratic Underground?) is worthy of a Free Dark Avengerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02220642215040873632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-25050021444746188322012-12-26T14:54:23.878-05:002012-12-26T14:54:23.878-05:001. Still not relevant to my point.
2. Incidenta...1. Still not relevant to my point.<br /><br />2. Incidentally, though, false and dangerous. Each individual has a right and an obligation to be his own last line of defense.Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-55728403156004610072012-12-26T10:06:59.980-05:002012-12-26T10:06:59.980-05:00I think that looking to armed civilians to be a li...I think that looking to armed civilians to be a line of defense against an armed shooter(who, as the GOS noted, will probably be wearing body armor as have recent shooters) is naive at best, and stupid at worse.<br /><br />Dark Avengerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02220642215040873632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-80288584998393093052012-12-26T09:26:11.224-05:002012-12-26T09:26:11.224-05:00Wow, DA. I'm baffled. So, I make an argument,...Wow, DA. I'm baffled. So, I make an argument, you introduce a (terrible) study that is irrelevant to my argument, I point out that it is (terrible and) irrelevant, and restate my point...whereupon you write that my point is irrelevant to the study... Yes, indeed it is! My point and the study are mutually irrelevant. Ergo that study--godawful and tempting target though it is--should be Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-21436563627404445102012-12-24T16:31:04.735-05:002012-12-24T16:31:04.735-05:00Sorry, I was kinda trying to just elicit recogniti...<i>Sorry, I was kinda trying to just elicit recognition in you that the study was crap without pontificating about it.<br /><br />In fact, the study is laughable *if* it is intended to provide us evidence about the use of handguns by law-abiding citizens, and unless I'm missing something here.</i><br /><br /><br />I would think that most of the people in the study were 'law-abiding' Dark Avengerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02220642215040873632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-17956231536708273562012-12-24T15:28:54.769-05:002012-12-24T15:28:54.769-05:00DA,
1.
Sorry, I was kinda trying to just elicit r...DA,<br /><br />1.<br />Sorry, I was kinda trying to just elicit recognition in you that the study was crap without pontificating about it.<br /><br />In fact, the study is laughable *if* it is intended to provide us evidence about the use of handguns by law-abiding citizens, and unless I'm missing something here.<br /><br />Well, perhaps we should start with: Am I missing something?<br /><br Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-25284682038721428272012-12-24T14:01:09.558-05:002012-12-24T14:01:09.558-05:00If you have a specific criticism about their study...If you have a specific criticism about their study, about the data or how it was analyzed, that would be useful.<br /><br />I'm going to consider your last post as "unresponsive".Dark Avengerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02220642215040873632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-14685775770503225562012-12-24T10:24:08.858-05:002012-12-24T10:24:08.858-05:00Wow.
That study is really, really not good.
Wha...Wow. <br /><br />That study is really, really not good.<br /><br />What am I missing here?Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-51429818835394683222012-12-23T20:51:48.148-05:002012-12-23T20:51:48.148-05:00Winston, you prefer several anecdotal examples to ...Winston, you prefer several anecdotal examples to the facts about guns and what happens to the civilians that use them. <br /><br /><b>It would be impractical – not to say unethical – to randomly assign volunteers to carry a gun or not and see what happens. So Charles Branas's team at the University of Pennsylvania analysed 677 shootings over two-and-a-half years to discover whether victims Dark Avengerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02220642215040873632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-17072564213584968862012-12-23T18:36:25.708-05:002012-12-23T18:36:25.708-05:00DA,
I'm more than a little baffled that most ...DA,<br /><br />I'm more than a little baffled that most of the time we don't seem to be addressing anything like the same points.<br /><br />Maybe let's start with the last point and work backwards?<br /><br />You ask: do I think there should be an armed guard in every school?<br /><br />My answer: I never actually thought about it. It seems so much like a non-option that the proposalWinston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-39443371181874705892012-12-23T15:08:33.192-05:002012-12-23T15:08:33.192-05:00You do realize that the NYPD is notoriously trigge...<i>You do realize that the NYPD is notoriously trigger-happy, right? The proof of that conclusion seems pretty secure... So I'm not sure how good a gauge that is.</i><br /><br />So are the LA cops, and lots of cops around the country. <br /><br />Put it this way, is there a police force outside of the Barney Fife kind(few officers, rural setting) that isn't trigger happy?<br /><br /><i>Dark Avengerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02220642215040873632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-46932818039774112982012-12-23T14:22:00.499-05:002012-12-23T14:22:00.499-05:00DA,
A few points:
1. You do realize that the NYP...DA,<br /><br />A few points:<br /><br />1. You do realize that the NYPD is notoriously trigger-happy, right? The proof of that conclusion seems pretty secure... So I'm not sure how good a gauge that is.<br /><br />2. And you do realize that private citizens have *already* stopped such shootings, without causing the carnage you're envisioning?<br /><br />3. Which shows that Mr. Webster is Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-923085562911060802012-12-22T12:05:46.138-05:002012-12-22T12:05:46.138-05:00The left is afflicted by what is, if anything, an ...<i>The left is afflicted by what is, if anything, an even more irrational fantasy, the fantasy that guns are incredibly effective in the hands of bad guys, but so ineffective in the hands of law-abiding private citizens that they do nothing to shift the odds in their favor in such cases.</i><br /><br />Oh, they shifted the odds in the case of the shooter I referenced, but the 'collateral Dark Avengerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02220642215040873632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-29676378140260841672012-12-22T10:49:37.746-05:002012-12-22T10:49:37.746-05:00DA,
Nothing in this story surprises me in the lea...DA,<br /><br />Nothing in this story surprises me in the least.<br /><br />Do you think anything there is inconsistent with anything I wrote?Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-3838021400984769742012-12-21T20:42:58.910-05:002012-12-21T20:42:58.910-05:00Winston, you haven't heard about what happened...Winston, you haven't heard about what happened in NYC with 'trained" NYC police against one armed man?:<br /><br /><b>NEW YORK — The police shooting near the Empire State Building last week is a testament to how quickly officers can fire off 16 rounds to take down an armed suspect.<br /><br />But the nine wounded bystanders attest to another truth: Officers often miss.<br /><br />Dark Avengerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02220642215040873632noreply@blogger.com