tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post111798698032911736..comments2024-03-26T12:23:29.784-04:00Comments on Philosoraptor: Winston Smithhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-1141087504852551132006-02-27T19:45:00.000-05:002006-02-27T19:45:00.000-05:00Hey, I like your blog, it's good. I stumbled acros...Hey, I like your blog, it's good. I stumbled across it just a few minutes ago. Good job!<BR/><BR/>regards,<BR/><A HREF="http://shmyl.com/ljanson" REL="nofollow">new york state health insurance plan</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-1139210960834083462006-02-06T02:29:00.000-05:002006-02-06T02:29:00.000-05:00Hi there. You have a nice blog here. Just out blog...Hi there. You have a nice blog here. 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The information and Internet marketing product evaluations that you provide are great for beginner webmasters.<BR/><BR/>I have a <A HREF="http://www.duncemoney.com/td.html" REL="nofollow">internet into your overall business strategy</A> site/blog. It pretty much covers internet into your overall business strategy related Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-1130036900455635402005-10-22T23:08:00.000-04:002005-10-22T23:08:00.000-04:00Anyone looking for some more business grants info?...Anyone looking for some more <A HREF="http://www.business-counsel.info/blog/" REL="nofollow">business grants</A> info?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-1118706973680160402005-06-13T19:56:00.000-04:002005-06-13T19:56:00.000-04:00We'll get back to Brother Immanuel someday, I figg...We'll get back to Brother Immanuel someday, I figger.<BR/><BR/>I suppose he's referring to <I>thumos</I>, which I also regard as morally neutral. However, his discarding of it in favor of dispassion illustrates his inertness.<BR/><BR/>I feel confident in asserting that the dispassionate reader of this blog would conclude its author is all about <I>thumos</I>. :-)Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-1118585090018913092005-06-12T10:04:00.000-04:002005-06-12T10:04:00.000-04:00Wow, not even close, not even as a parody...Wow, not even close, not even as a parody...Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-1118578300386462462005-06-12T08:11:00.000-04:002005-06-12T08:11:00.000-04:00Yes, I thought I smelled Kant skulking about in th...Yes, I thought I smelled Kant skulking about in the bushes.<BR/><BR/>It's good to be good and nice to be nice.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-1118503475019587582005-06-11T11:24:00.000-04:002005-06-11T11:24:00.000-04:00"It is impossible to imagine anything at all in th..."It is impossible to imagine anything at all in the world, or even beyond it, that can be called good without qualification--except a good will. Intelligence, wit, judgement, and the other mental talents, whatever we may call them, or courage, decisiveness, and perseverence, are, as qualities of temperament, certainly good and desirable in many respects; but they can also be extremely bad and Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-1118363195740389032005-06-09T20:26:00.000-04:002005-06-09T20:26:00.000-04:00Aristotle would say habituating oneself to negativ...Aristotle would say habituating oneself to negative existential proofs gets one out of the habit of the pursuit of the virtuous and good. The Dalai Lama would say it's bad karma. Me, I say it just leads nowhere.<BR/><BR/>Eventually, one asks the primary philosophical question, What Is Good?<BR/><BR/>So far, I have you down for pot and casual sex, about the same conclusion as most college Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-1118310791362098722005-06-09T05:53:00.000-04:002005-06-09T05:53:00.000-04:00No nihilist, I...But I'm having a hard time seeing...No nihilist, I...<BR/><BR/>But I'm having a hard time seeing how God has any essential role in the kind of picture you paint. 'splain it to me?<BR/><BR/>I don't think I ever denied that there are teloi, did I? How do we get from there to transcendence? I've got no position on transcendence vs. immanence in this context, though I acknowledge that there are interesting issues there.<BR/><BR/>I Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-1118268930559363092005-06-08T18:15:00.000-04:002005-06-08T18:15:00.000-04:00We are never going to get anywhere, WS, if you kee...We are never going to get anywhere, WS, if you keep arguing against Divine Command Theory when no one (esp. me) is arguing for it.<BR/><BR/>Shooting such sitting ducks is hardly sporting.<BR/><BR/>It is a question of essence (see above). A theory of the existence of a higher moral order doesn't hinge on an Abrahamic god, but on the existence of something inherent in man beyond his flesh and Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-1118258753259492772005-06-08T15:25:00.000-04:002005-06-08T15:25:00.000-04:00Herb,Well, Bentham isn't a guy who I have a lot of...Herb,<BR/><BR/>Well, Bentham isn't a guy who I have a lot of respect for, but put that aside. I don't necessarily mean to commit myself to the idea of rights as opposed to some other concept of the good, but I use that idiom b/c it's common and plausible. <BR/><BR/>And b/c we haven't seriously been considering the possibility of moral nihilism here.Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-1118258666803971292005-06-08T15:24:00.000-04:002005-06-08T15:24:00.000-04:00tvd,1. Come on, man, we've been over this several...tvd,<BR/><BR/>1. Come on, man, we've been over this several times here, and it's well-known territory. Making an appeal to the moral perfection of the Abrahamic god doesn't help, b/c that view presupposes that there's such a thing as moral perfection antecedent to God's commands. On that view, God is good b/c he does what's right--so there's something that's right independently of God's Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-1118254536277157912005-06-08T14:15:00.000-04:002005-06-08T14:15:00.000-04:00Precisely. No god, no rights. The crisis of mode...Precisely. No god, no rights. The crisis of modern philosophy.<BR/><BR/>"The Declaration of Independence dogmatically bases all rights on the fact that God created all men equal; and it is right; for if they were not created equal, they were certainly evolved unequal. There is no basis for democracy except in a dogma about the divine origin of man." - GK Chesterton<BR/><BR/>And Lord knows how Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-1118248211649355062005-06-08T12:30:00.000-04:002005-06-08T12:30:00.000-04:00Rather than get worked up about whether rights com...Rather than get worked up about whether rights comne from god, you might try to sort out whether there are such things. <BR/><BR/>"The idea of rights is nonsense and the idea of natural rights is nonsense on stilts".(J Bentham)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-1118202620602544832005-06-07T23:50:00.000-04:002005-06-07T23:50:00.000-04:00This is going to show me to be abysmally ignorant,...This is going to show me to be abysmally ignorant, but for crying out loud, the whole thing seems pretty darn simple: If you don't play nice, sooner or later everybody's going to take their ball and go home. Human morality derives from the fact that we like to be around other people, something that's just not possible if we persistently piss others off -- much less if we make a habit of conking Devoteehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10132417730218562356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-1118178446860581452005-06-07T17:07:00.000-04:002005-06-07T17:07:00.000-04:00Euthyphro does not apply. The Greek gods are impe...<I>Euthyphro</I> does not apply. The Greek gods are imperfect: Socrates' argument is that Divine Command is arbitrary and that there is a higher moral order than that of those venal gods.<BR/><BR/>Further, inherent human rights are a question of essence (endowed by a Creator, for instance), not "command."<BR/><BR/>The question remains: Why does man have inalienable rights? Religion can be Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-1118148856747824462005-06-07T08:54:00.000-04:002005-06-07T08:54:00.000-04:00tvd,1. Rorty is not a very good philosopher. He us...tvd,<BR/><BR/>1. Rorty is not a very good philosopher. He used to be pretty good--_Philosophy and the Mirror of Nature_ is fine. Now he's a po-mo charlatan, mostly.<BR/><BR/>2. One person saying it doesn't make it so (not even G. Washington, who theists are apt to quote in these contexts)<BR/><BR/>3. He (Rorty) doesn't say what you say he says. He doesn't say you need God for morality. He Winston Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780746334199630779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-1118128453138024122005-06-07T03:14:00.000-04:002005-06-07T03:14:00.000-04:00It is difficult to discuss important things with t...It is difficult to discuss important things with the epistemologically challenged, especially those who are first inclined to call someone a liar rather than look to their own inadequacies at Googling.<BR/><BR/>More time is spent on pettiness and sourcing than on ideas. Besides, it is rude, sir. <BR/><BR/>"<I>It is part of the tradition of our community that the human stranger from whom all Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-1118112964960918832005-06-06T22:56:00.000-04:002005-06-06T22:56:00.000-04:00Oddly, I can't find where Rorty says anything abou...Oddly, I can't find where Rorty says anything about the incoherence of freeloading atheists, only quotes which don't mention a source. No wait, that's not odd, as he'd never have said anything exactly like what turns up in the quotes. Presumably, they must have been heavily edited, if not completely invented. I admit I'm not an expert, but doesn't God frown on lying?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5264937.post-1118110255309282542005-06-06T22:10:00.000-04:002005-06-06T22:10:00.000-04:00You don't have kids, do you, tvd? The "inherent di...You don't have kids, do you, tvd? The "inherent dignity of man" is a pretty challenging concept for me to swallow after six years of changing diapers and three years of various small people yelling, "You are stinky poo-poo and I hate you!"<BR/><BR/>From my vantage point, whatever dignity we have is definitely acquired.Devoteehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10132417730218562356noreply@blogger.com